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Jail?

Arrath 2y ago
So we're set on expending resources. If we're going to spend the resources to incarcerate these folks, would not the resources be better spent (with much better potential RoI, no less) on assisting persons in obtaining living situations?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > we're set on expending resources I don’t love this decision. But the endgame to homeless encampments in parks is parks being defunded and sold to developers.
- lwhalen 2y ago
  What do you tell the families who scrimped, saved, and generally busted ass to be able to afford their homes?
  - PessimalDecimal 2y ago
    They get to pay for other people's stuff. See how this works?
    - lwhalen 2y ago
      You (and the rest of the scolds in this thread) are allowed to do whatever you want with your money. A $3000/mo mortgage spread between ten (or more!) like-minded friends makes for a very affordable hobby. Get you a second house, open it up to all and sundry, and be the change you want to see in the world. No, it won't solve homelessness overnight, but it's not nothing. You'd be doing something in-line with your values, without forcing others to spend their tax-dollars on it, and you get ALL the points. If you blog/vlog/whatever about it regularly, you might get others interested and following your example. Bam - homegrown grass-roots homelessness dent, without third-party involvement.
  - notaustinpowers 2y ago
    "Congrats, still doesn't mean that a homeless person should die in a ditch on the side of the road as some form of karmic balance."
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    Good news, instead of spending $45K/year of your hard earned tax money to keep Homeless Joe in jail, we're going to spend $10K of your hard earned tax money to keep him housed.
    - ehvatum 2y ago
      You’re not going to be any happier with the circumstances of people living in enormous urban housing projects. You should want a society where we are all rewarded for looking after each other, in the ways we are each best at. Nothing else can work.
  - underlipton 2y ago
    That they were exploited, because no one should have to "bust their ass" to an exceptional level in order to afford a necessity. Also that we're going to make it up to them in some other fashion. Also pointing out that home-ownership is financially advantageous for tax purposes, so it already has been made up to them, to some degree.
  - beardicus 2y ago
    nobody seems to have this concern when we provide room and board in prisons.
  - TheCleric 2y ago
    If they don't have compassion and understanding for someone who is at the lowest point of their life because it's "unfair" then I'm not particularly interested in talking to them.
  - toomanyrichies 2y ago
    You tell them to count their blessings every day of their lives that they: -don't currently suffer from a debilitating mental illness that prevents them from holding down a job or an apartment, -weren't kicked out of their home by their parents for being LGBT, -didn't incur a financially crippling medical debt which forced them to choose between housing or their lives Or one of the myriad other reasons why someone might become homeless through no fault of their own in late-stage American society. There but for the grace of God go all of us.
rand1239 2y ago
Cost to send a person to a housing facility with high security is probably much higher than the cost to give them housing with no security.
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Jail?

So we're set on expending resources. If we're going to spend the resources to incarcerate these folks, would not the resources be better spent (with much better potential RoI, no less) on assisting persons in obtaining living situations?

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> we're set on expending resources I don’t love this decision. But the endgame to homeless encampments in parks is parks being defunded and sold to developers.
lwhalen 2y ago
What do you tell the families who scrimped, saved, and generally busted ass to be able to afford their homes?
- PessimalDecimal 2y ago
  They get to pay for other people's stuff. See how this works?
  - lwhalen 2y ago
    You (and the rest of the scolds in this thread) are allowed to do whatever you want with your money. A $3000/mo mortgage spread between ten (or more!) like-minded friends makes for a very affordable hobby. Get you a second house, open it up to all and sundry, and be the change you want to see in the world. No, it won't solve homelessness overnight, but it's not nothing. You'd be doing something in-line with your values, without forcing others to spend their tax-dollars on it, and you get ALL the points. If you blog/vlog/whatever about it regularly, you might get others interested and following your example. Bam - homegrown grass-roots homelessness dent, without third-party involvement.
- notaustinpowers 2y ago
  "Congrats, still doesn't mean that a homeless person should die in a ditch on the side of the road as some form of karmic balance."
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  Good news, instead of spending $45K/year of your hard earned tax money to keep Homeless Joe in jail, we're going to spend $10K of your hard earned tax money to keep him housed.
  - ehvatum 2y ago
    You’re not going to be any happier with the circumstances of people living in enormous urban housing projects. You should want a society where we are all rewarded for looking after each other, in the ways we are each best at. Nothing else can work.
- underlipton 2y ago
  That they were exploited, because no one should have to "bust their ass" to an exceptional level in order to afford a necessity. Also that we're going to make it up to them in some other fashion. Also pointing out that home-ownership is financially advantageous for tax purposes, so it already has been made up to them, to some degree.
- beardicus 2y ago
  nobody seems to have this concern when we provide room and board in prisons.
- TheCleric 2y ago
  If they don't have compassion and understanding for someone who is at the lowest point of their life because it's "unfair" then I'm not particularly interested in talking to them.
- toomanyrichies 2y ago
  You tell them to count their blessings every day of their lives that they: -don't currently suffer from a debilitating mental illness that prevents them from holding down a job or an apartment, -weren't kicked out of their home by their parents for being LGBT, -didn't incur a financially crippling medical debt which forced them to choose between housing or their lives Or one of the myriad other reasons why someone might become homeless through no fault of their own in late-stage American society. There but for the grace of God go all of us.

rand1239 2y ago

Cost to send a person to a housing facility with high security is probably much higher than the cost to give them housing with no security.

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