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Where should they sleep?

by spankalee 2y ago

polski-g 2y ago
On property they own or property they have been granted permission to occupy.
- alan-hn 2y ago
  Do you realize we are discussing people who own no property at all?
  - polski-g 2y ago
    Why is that relevant? People who do own things do not get to trespass; people who do not own things, likewise, do not get to trespass.
    - alan-hn 2y ago
      How does one trespass on public land
      - polski-g 2y ago
        [flagged]
      - HDThoreaun 2y ago
        A lot of public land has hours when it is closed. Every park in my city closes at 11, after that you are trespassing.
    - spankalee 2y ago
      But where do they sleep?!! It's relevant because there are people with nowhere to sleep. It's not possible for them to not sleep. Is your solution to jail them all, so that they sleep in jail?
- jjav 2y ago
  > On property they own or property they have been granted permission to occupy. By definition, the homeless don't have that.
  - polski-g 2y ago
    The homeless have permission to be in many places at many different times. If they are unhappy with the current place and time limitations then they should vote for representatives to change such limitations.
    - notaustinpowers 2y ago
      Let's see then. In order to vote, you will need: Driver's License or State ID. In my state (Georgia) to get these you must also provide a birth certificate or passport, as well as two documents showing Georgia residency (I.E., utility bill/phone bill that must have your address listed on them. Okay, so those are unavailable to the homeless as they most likely will not have their birth certificate or passport with them (as belongings are routinely confiscated by police during removals of homeless encampments). Nor will they have an address or a utility bill in their name. Oh, also, Georgia requires a residential address for these ID cards so while you can use a PO Box on the card itself, they still need proof of a residential address for their records. So, how again are the homeless expected to vote when they, legally, can't even get a drivers license or state ID card? This isn't even getting into the $25 it costs to get a copy of your birth certificate or the $32 fee for get a state ID. $57 could potentially feed them for a week, and when you don't know when your next meal is going to be, what's more important to you in that situation?
- spankalee 2y ago
  Ok, but where exactly? It's midnight, there are several thousand homeless people in the city, where do they sleep?

Where should they sleep?

polski-g 2y ago

On property they own or property they have been granted permission to occupy.

alan-hn 2y ago
Do you realize we are discussing people who own no property at all?
- polski-g 2y ago
  Why is that relevant? People who do own things do not get to trespass; people who do not own things, likewise, do not get to trespass.
  - alan-hn 2y ago
    How does one trespass on public land
    - polski-g 2y ago
      [flagged]
    - HDThoreaun 2y ago
      A lot of public land has hours when it is closed. Every park in my city closes at 11, after that you are trespassing.
  - spankalee 2y ago
    But where do they sleep?!! It's relevant because there are people with nowhere to sleep. It's not possible for them to not sleep. Is your solution to jail them all, so that they sleep in jail?
jjav 2y ago
> On property they own or property they have been granted permission to occupy. By definition, the homeless don't have that.
- polski-g 2y ago
  The homeless have permission to be in many places at many different times. If they are unhappy with the current place and time limitations then they should vote for representatives to change such limitations.
  - notaustinpowers 2y ago
    Let's see then. In order to vote, you will need: Driver's License or State ID. In my state (Georgia) to get these you must also provide a birth certificate or passport, as well as two documents showing Georgia residency (I.E., utility bill/phone bill that must have your address listed on them. Okay, so those are unavailable to the homeless as they most likely will not have their birth certificate or passport with them (as belongings are routinely confiscated by police during removals of homeless encampments). Nor will they have an address or a utility bill in their name. Oh, also, Georgia requires a residential address for these ID cards so while you can use a PO Box on the card itself, they still need proof of a residential address for their records. So, how again are the homeless expected to vote when they, legally, can't even get a drivers license or state ID card? This isn't even getting into the $25 it costs to get a copy of your birth certificate or the $32 fee for get a state ID. $57 could potentially feed them for a week, and when you don't know when your next meal is going to be, what's more important to you in that situation?
spankalee 2y ago
Ok, but where exactly? It's midnight, there are several thousand homeless people in the city, where do they sleep?