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by jowdones 2y ago
Good!
- notaustinpowers 2y agoIt's now, effectively, illegal to just exist as a homeless person. Sleeping in your car? Jail. Sleeping under a bridge? Jail. Sleeping on a park bench? Jail. Sleeping in the woods? Jail.
- polski-g 2y ago3 of those things are simply trespassing.
- spankalee 2y agoWhere should they sleep?
- polski-g 2y agoOn property they own or property they have been granted permission to occupy.
- alan-hn 2y agoDo you realize we are discussing people who own no property at all?
- polski-g 2y agoWhy is that relevant? People who do own things do not get to trespass; people who do not own things, likewise, do not get to trespass.
- alan-hn 2y agoHow does one trespass on public land
- polski-g 2y ago[flagged]
- HDThoreaun 2y agoA lot of public land has hours when it is closed. Every park in my city closes at 11, after that you are trespassing.
- spankalee 2y agoBut where do they sleep?!! It's relevant because there are people with nowhere to sleep. It's not possible for them to not sleep. Is your solution to jail them all, so that they sleep in jail?
- jjav 2y ago> On property they own or property they have been granted permission to occupy. By definition, the homeless don't have that.
- polski-g 2y agoThe homeless have permission to be in many places at many different times. If they are unhappy with the current place and time limitations then they should vote for representatives to change such limitations.
- notaustinpowers 2y agoLet's see then. In order to vote, you will need: Driver's License or State ID. In my state (Georgia) to get these you must also provide a birth certificate or passport, as well as two documents showing Georgia residency (I.E., utility bill/phone bill that must have your address listed on them. Okay, so those are unavailable to the homeless as they most likely will not have their birth certificate or passport with them (as belongings are routinely confiscated by police during removals of homeless encampments). Nor will they have an address or a utility bill in their name. Oh, also, Georgia requires a residential address for these ID cards so while you can use a PO Box on the card itself, they still need proof of a residential address for their records. So, how again are the homeless expected to vote when they, legally, can't even get a drivers license or state ID card? This isn't even getting into the $25 it costs to get a copy of your birth certificate or the $32 fee for get a state ID. $57 could potentially feed them for a week, and when you don't know when your next meal is going to be, what's more important to you in that situation?
- spankalee 2y agoOk, but where exactly? It's midnight, there are several thousand homeless people in the city, where do they sleep?
- notaustinpowers 2y agoWould you rather they slept in the sewers?
- rrr_oh_man 2y agoTrespassing... on public goods? To me, who grew up in Central Europe and is obviously biased, that is wild.
- jjk166 2y agoNone of those are trespassing. You're permitted to be in your car, you're permitted to be on a park bench, you're permitted to be under a bridge, you're permitted to be in the woods. It's only when you need to be there that it's a crime.
- polski-g 2y agoSome parks have rules against smoking, grilling, flying kites, bringing dogs, playing lawn darts, being there after 9pm (that's the trespassing part), and yes, even camping. And those are all voted on by elected officials. If you don't like it, vote for different councilmen.
- engineer_22 2y agoOne city banned camping in public, it was challenged, SC said "yep, that's a fair law". After this decision other cities may also ban camping, while some cities may welcome public camping. The SC is leaving it to the lowest level of government to decide for themselves, upholding a democratic principle.
- notaustinpowers 2y agoIDK man, I think arresting people for just existing in public who have nowhere else to go is a morally reprehensible act and has no right existing in a form of government that should operate under the best interest of it's citizens. But that's just me I guess.
- engineer_22 2y agoNo problem, go to your municipal meetings and let them know you are in favor of allowing camping in public spaces in your municipality. If you vote in your local elections your representatives may also have similar opinions to yours. Talk to your friends and neighbors to ask how they feel about it too, maybe they agree. Democracy.
- EPWN3D 2y agoNow now, that would require the suburbanites who are eager to tut-tut and scold city-dwellers to put their money where their mouth is.
- notaustinpowers 2y agoPeople dying in the streets isn't something that should be up for debate or popular vote :)
- engineer_22 2y agoThe point isn't clear for you is it
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- spankalee 2y agoSo you fine them and arrest them... then what?
- voidfunc 2y agoJail?
- Arrath 2y agoSo we're set on expending resources. If we're going to spend the resources to incarcerate these folks, would not the resources be better spent (with much better potential RoI, no less) on assisting persons in obtaining living situations?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> we're set on expending resources I don’t love this decision. But the endgame to homeless encampments in parks is parks being defunded and sold to developers.
- lwhalen 2y agoWhat do you tell the families who scrimped, saved, and generally busted ass to be able to afford their homes?
- PessimalDecimal 2y agoThey get to pay for other people's stuff. See how this works?
- lwhalen 2y agoYou (and the rest of the scolds in this thread) are allowed to do whatever you want with your money. A $3000/mo mortgage spread between ten (or more!) like-minded friends makes for a very affordable hobby. Get you a second house, open it up to all and sundry, and be the change you want to see in the world. No, it won't solve homelessness overnight, but it's not nothing. You'd be doing something in-line with your values, without forcing others to spend their tax-dollars on it, and you get ALL the points. If you blog/vlog/whatever about it regularly, you might get others interested and following your example. Bam - homegrown grass-roots homelessness dent, without third-party involvement.
- verandaguy 2y agoIn what way?