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[in regards to the Big Bang] Why are some scientific ideas hard to believe in? I hate to wade into Intelligent Design but I'm feeling grumpy tonight so what th
by DanielBMarkham 14y ago
[in regards to the Big Bang] Why are some scientific ideas hard to believe in?
I hate to wade into Intelligent Design but I'm feeling grumpy tonight so what the hell.
First, I do not believe in some mythical deity who created the world 7 thousand years ago. Or even last week. I'm agnostic. Those things I do not know about, I do not know about. It is not logical to waste energy either believing or disbelieving in them.
Having said that, we had a great piece on HN a year or two ago from a mathematician showing that we are most likely living in a simulated universe. I don't have the academic chops to comment on it, but I know that it's entirely possible that all of our sensory inputs are being manipulated in ways that mimic the universe we think we live in. When you think of billions of years of intelligence evolving all over the place, we're fairly simple creatures. Just like we could fool an ant into thinking his queen lives somewhere else, I don't think it'd be very difficult at all for some external entity to control us. Maybe as a game. Who knows.
The point is: the idea that our sensory perceptions are fabricated and false in some way is a perfectly self-consistent and logical thing to believe in. Of course, it's a really stupid thing to believe in if you're a scientist, because if you can't trust empirical evidence, science kind of goes out the window. So yes, scientists can't believe that and have any kind of career at all, but there's nothing wrong with Joe SixPack believing it.
I bring that up because of something good the author mentions: This means that science education is not simply a matter of learning new theories. Rather, it also requires that students unlearn their instincts
This is true. Much like pilots have to learn not to trust their inner ear when flying, students of science have to unlearn many things they may consider "common sense".
But you end up coming full circle. Even accepting science as the only light mankind has in the darkness, eventually you end back up wondering if the models we have are not just more fancy versions of the Ptolemy's Celestial Spheres[1]. You can take models that don't fit and do all sorts of magic with them to make them work. For a long time.
I am concerned that we are "diagnosing" people as somehow in need of re-education, medication, or intervention simply because they think in a different manner from the rest of us. If my neighbor wants to believe he's living in a Matrix, more power to him. He's not going to be a rocket scientist any time soon. And even if he is, plenty of people manage to have deeply trans-rational beliefs about the way things work and they function just fine in the world in all sorts of intricate, complicated scientific endeavors. We are drawing distinctions where none may be needed.
Science is provisional. In my opinion we should always approach it with humility. What I am seeing more and more is people who somehow feel elevated by science to be better than their peers. That's pretty cool when you're 20 and figure out how awesome it is that calculus and physics go together, but it's a really screwed up way to live your life or influence public policy.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_spheres http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_spheres
- DividesByZero 14y agoThe question of whether or not we inhabit a simulated universe only matters insofar as we would be able to determine the fact or not. Any speculation beyond that is unscientific. Incidentally, the mathematical construction I believe you are referring to is the Boltzmann Brain.
- Dn_Ab 14y agoThe boltzmann brain arises from a statistical fluctuation. I think he is talking about the simulation hypothesis and in particular arguments put forward by the philosopher Nick Bostrom.
- DividesByZero 14y agoHe mentioned the likelihood of existing in a simulated universe in the context of probabilities - the Boltzmann Brain is the construct I know of that directly addresses this.
- andreasvc 14y agoThe Boltzmann brain is about a conscious entity arising due to chance, or the known universe for that matter; cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain The word simulation does not occur on that page, it is about our universe being just a fluke.
- Dn_Ab 14y agoBostrom's argument is also a statistical kind of argument. I can't know what Daniel was thinking - I merely hooked on the words most likely living in a simulated universe. and all of our sensory inputs are being manipulated in ways that mimic the universe we think we live in. The cause of a Boltzmann Brain does not act directly, it's merely a random fluctuation that allows an arrangement of particles to form a mind that thinks it's existing. There is no simulation or manipulation or attempt to fool. It just is something so unlikely, you have to wait an unmentionable amount of time to have it occur. Assuming there is nothing in physics that ends up barring such. The Boltzmann brain argument is one that is hard to swallow and very unlikely by definition. Bostrom's simulation argument puts forward that we are most likely in a simulation and makes a compelling case.