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A regulatory body who is not responsible or beholden to the citizenry, and who cannot effectively be balanced by another portion of government?

by vdqtp3 2y ago

iaw 2y ago
Wasn't this decision essentially made by the ultimate regulatory body in the country? How is the supreme court beholden to citizenry? They have life appointments, they're beholden to no one (except exceedingly rich "friends" apparently)
- vdqtp3 2y ago
  No, that's the core issue. They are overstepping the authority granted in legislation. If Congress passes an open-ended law saying "Agency X can administer Y in accordance with rules 1,2,3" then the agency should not be able to simply decide that rules 4,5,6 should also be created. This is what has been happening for decades, has been defended by Chevron, and is being forbidden by this decision.
maximilianburke 2y ago
A regulatory body that is staffed by people who are well versed in the intracacies of the industries they are overseeing, rather than Representative Marge McCrazyPants who legitimately believes in the existence of space lasers owned and operated by certain religious adherents.
justsocrateasin 2y ago
Why so much distrust for our civil servants? Have you met any of these people? I grew up in the DC area and both liberal and conservative civil servants are dedicated to truth, science, and the well being of the American people. Sure, there are exceptions, corruption is everywhere, etc. but by and large, the people who work in government agencies have our interests in mind. I say this as a liberal who briefly consulted for U.S. Customs and Border Protection - the people working at that agency understand immigration far better than I ever could. If you left it up to radical politicians to decide immigration, you'd be left with policies that swung too far in either direction every four years.
- kbolino 2y ago
  The era of a bipartisan civil service is past. The civil service, at least those offices which are in and around DC, is heavily liberal and is trending more so over time. In 2020, DC went 92% for Biden, and Biden also handily won every county with significant government employment in Maryland and Virginia. Though I couldn't easily find any hard statistics, which may not exist for Hatch Act reasons or otherwise, I'd rate the current composition of the DC-centered civil service at around 70-80% Democrats; defense and intelligence a little lower, health and social services a little higher. If current trends continue, this will reach 90% in many agencies within a decade. Whether this is a problem or not is a different matter. It is obviously not representative of the country as a whole, though that is only based on a rather shallow and one-dimensional analysis. However, it explains at least part of why this is happening.
- vdqtp3 2y ago
  Yes, I was a government contractor for a significant portion of my career. This certainly didn't encourage me to trust elected officials or agency employees.
- stale2002 2y ago
  Hey, you can have this position. Just realize that you've lost your future right to complain about project 2025 when that passes and every agency has all their civil servants replaced.
  - intended 2y ago
    Why would they have lost their right to complain?
    - stale2002 2y ago
      They would lose their right to complain because they are putting their faith in civil servants. Therefore, when civil servants are put into place from the other side, they can't complain.
      - 2y ago
Spivak 2y ago
First, that's not true. It's just a degree of separation from your vote that you're uncomfortable with. But yes, the fact that 99% of our government is made up of these people who are a few layers separated from direct political bullshit is why it functions at all. We are much better off when these agencies operate autonomously and elected representatives can intervene when necessary instead of making them go back to the meat grinder to do anything.

A regulatory body who is not responsible or beholden to the citizenry, and who cannot effectively be balanced by another portion of government?

by vdqtp3 2y ago

A regulatory body who is not responsible or beholden to the citizenry, and who cannot effectively be balanced by another portion of government?

iaw 2y ago

Wasn't this decision essentially made by the ultimate regulatory body in the country? How is the supreme court beholden to citizenry? They have life appointments, they're beholden to no one (except exceedingly rich "friends" apparently)

vdqtp3 2y ago
No, that's the core issue. They are overstepping the authority granted in legislation. If Congress passes an open-ended law saying "Agency X can administer Y in accordance with rules 1,2,3" then the agency should not be able to simply decide that rules 4,5,6 should also be created. This is what has been happening for decades, has been defended by Chevron, and is being forbidden by this decision.

maximilianburke 2y ago

A regulatory body that is staffed by people who are well versed in the intracacies of the industries they are overseeing, rather than Representative Marge McCrazyPants who legitimately believes in the existence of space lasers owned and operated by certain religious adherents.

justsocrateasin 2y ago

Why so much distrust for our civil servants? Have you met any of these people? I grew up in the DC area and both liberal and conservative civil servants are dedicated to truth, science, and the well being of the American people. Sure, there are exceptions, corruption is everywhere, etc. but by and large, the people who work in government agencies have our interests in mind. I say this as a liberal who briefly consulted for U.S. Customs and Border Protection - the people working at that agency understand immigration far better than I ever could. If you left it up to radical politicians to decide immigration, you'd be left with policies that swung too far in either direction every four years.

kbolino 2y ago
The era of a bipartisan civil service is past. The civil service, at least those offices which are in and around DC, is heavily liberal and is trending more so over time. In 2020, DC went 92% for Biden, and Biden also handily won every county with significant government employment in Maryland and Virginia. Though I couldn't easily find any hard statistics, which may not exist for Hatch Act reasons or otherwise, I'd rate the current composition of the DC-centered civil service at around 70-80% Democrats; defense and intelligence a little lower, health and social services a little higher. If current trends continue, this will reach 90% in many agencies within a decade. Whether this is a problem or not is a different matter. It is obviously not representative of the country as a whole, though that is only based on a rather shallow and one-dimensional analysis. However, it explains at least part of why this is happening.
vdqtp3 2y ago
Yes, I was a government contractor for a significant portion of my career. This certainly didn't encourage me to trust elected officials or agency employees.
stale2002 2y ago
Hey, you can have this position. Just realize that you've lost your future right to complain about project 2025 when that passes and every agency has all their civil servants replaced.
- intended 2y ago
  Why would they have lost their right to complain?
  - stale2002 2y ago
    They would lose their right to complain because they are putting their faith in civil servants. Therefore, when civil servants are put into place from the other side, they can't complain.
    - 2y ago

Spivak 2y ago

First, that's not true. It's just a degree of separation from your vote that you're uncomfortable with. But yes, the fact that 99% of our government is made up of these people who are a few layers separated from direct political bullshit is why it functions at all. We are much better off when these agencies operate autonomously and elected representatives can intervene when necessary instead of making them go back to the meat grinder to do anything.