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I lived on 2nd Ave for years in UES and biked to FiDi for work - cannot relate to what you're claiming here. Yes there's noise, it's NYC, but "gridlocked traffi

I lived on 2nd Ave for years in UES and biked to FiDi for work - cannot relate to what you're claiming here. Yes there's noise, it's NYC, but "gridlocked traffic and construction" was not something I'd normally run into.

xvedejas 2y ago
At least visiting other parts of Manhattan -- I'm thinking for example LES -- there is definitely constant traffic and exhaust. Doesn't really matter if it's gridlock or not, moving cars emit more sound and fumes than idling cars do.
- sokoloff 2y ago
  > moving cars emit more sound and fumes than idling cars do Per car, per minute? Sure. Per car, per trip? Not clear, but probably not. Per block, per day? Also not clear, but probably not.
  - xdavidliu 2y ago
    what does a trip mean for an idling car?
    - sokoloff 2y ago
      A trip where a car drives some distance without idling in gridlock vs that same distance trip where the car spends significant time idling in gridlock in addition to time spent moving is the obvious answer.
asoneth 2y ago
My bike commute took me past a bridge entrance and a tunnel entrance in midtown which were both perpetually gridlocked, so I'll admit that probably colored my recollection a bit and it wasn't literally every street in NYC that was gridlocked. Still, when living in NYC I felt constantly surrounded by car traffic, far more than other cities I've lived in.
CSMastermind 2y ago
Yeah completely agree - I spent 10 years living in Manhattan and don't recognize anything in the parent comment.
- asdff 2y ago
  I spend a week in Manhattan and traffic and construction was all I saw on the other hand. Might be an emperor has no clothes situation for locals. It took 2 hours to go through the holland tunnel and the gridlock didn't stop there because it dumps you out into one of the oldest street grids on the island. At the time of writing this comment that entire swirl of traffic that is the exit of that tunnel is gridlocking the bulk of soho and lower manhattan. I can hear it from a thousand miles a way. And the construction, you can't deny the amount of construction going. A lot of it isn't even active work; contractors seemingly throw up scaffolding and let it sit forever because I guess the fines for letting scaffolding sit forever are cheaper than the costs of fixing crumbling masonry facades, so that is what is done. Don't get me started on the trash situation either, what an embarrassment that corrupt aspect of nyc life is.
asdff 2y ago
If your commute ran you by the exit of the holland tunnel instead you'd see pretty constant gridlock
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xvedejas 2y ago

At least visiting other parts of Manhattan -- I'm thinking for example LES -- there is definitely constant traffic and exhaust. Doesn't really matter if it's gridlock or not, moving cars emit more sound and fumes than idling cars do.

sokoloff 2y ago
> moving cars emit more sound and fumes than idling cars do Per car, per minute? Sure. Per car, per trip? Not clear, but probably not. Per block, per day? Also not clear, but probably not.
- xdavidliu 2y ago
  what does a trip mean for an idling car?
  - sokoloff 2y ago
    A trip where a car drives some distance without idling in gridlock vs that same distance trip where the car spends significant time idling in gridlock in addition to time spent moving is the obvious answer.

asoneth 2y ago

My bike commute took me past a bridge entrance and a tunnel entrance in midtown which were both perpetually gridlocked, so I'll admit that probably colored my recollection a bit and it wasn't literally every street in NYC that was gridlocked. Still, when living in NYC I felt constantly surrounded by car traffic, far more than other cities I've lived in.

CSMastermind 2y ago

Yeah completely agree - I spent 10 years living in Manhattan and don't recognize anything in the parent comment.

asdff 2y ago
I spend a week in Manhattan and traffic and construction was all I saw on the other hand. Might be an emperor has no clothes situation for locals. It took 2 hours to go through the holland tunnel and the gridlock didn't stop there because it dumps you out into one of the oldest street grids on the island. At the time of writing this comment that entire swirl of traffic that is the exit of that tunnel is gridlocking the bulk of soho and lower manhattan. I can hear it from a thousand miles a way. And the construction, you can't deny the amount of construction going. A lot of it isn't even active work; contractors seemingly throw up scaffolding and let it sit forever because I guess the fines for letting scaffolding sit forever are cheaper than the costs of fixing crumbling masonry facades, so that is what is done. Don't get me started on the trash situation either, what an embarrassment that corrupt aspect of nyc life is.

asdff 2y ago

If your commute ran you by the exit of the holland tunnel instead you'd see pretty constant gridlock

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