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I believe that sooner or later we will see something similar to Perplexity that runs directly in your browser, opens the pages for you, and answers your questio

by GaggiX 2y ago

I believe that sooner or later we will see something similar to Perplexity that runs directly in your browser, opens the pages for you, and answers your question. Unless it has already been done.

lovethevoid 2y ago
Arc Search does that already. Can’t recall which provider(s) they rely on.
- GaggiX 2y ago
  I should have specified that by "runs directly in your browser" I meant running it locally on the machine. EDIT: You still have to rely on a server to index the web pages of interest.
VeejayRampay 2y ago
the content mentioned in the article was behind a paywall though, how are you going to circumvent that legally?
visarga 2y ago
And people will see less and less of the original material, popups, cookie warnings, floating videos and offers to join a mailing list. It's so sad (not)
- mattigames 2y ago
  Except that they will see a lot less revenue and a lot less engagement and the creators will lose incentives to keep creating, to be clear I also wholeheartedly hate a lot of those practices but it's a fact that many of them increase engagement.
- CaptainFever 2y ago
  Right, I just realised this debate is basically the same debate towards ad-blocking and paywall jumping (e.g. via archive.is). Of course opinions vary on HN but generally it feels like a "ad-blocking is cool, paywall hopping is cool, but the server also has the right to not give us the information". Given this, this is pretty sensational reporting by The Verge -- calling it theft, comparing it to crypto, breaking the "foundations of the internet" (... the Internet is about sharing) etc. This is a non-story, we already have these tools, this just adds an AI summary layer on top.
  - falcor84 2y ago
    >This is a non-story, we already have these tools, this just adds an AI summary layer on top. This is a story. With ad blockers, the assumption was that the original page as a whole is valuable, but users just don't want to pay the cost of the ads and other obtrusive elements. But now we're opening up the question of what exactly is it on that page that's of actual value - is it just the text, or only some of the text, or only the "facts" expressed on the page, or maybe something even more abstract, such as how the page corroborates a fact on another page. I find this to be a really interesting question, both on a practical level and on an epistemological level - what is it that we as readers actually (want to) get from a resource?
    - CaptainFever 2y ago
      Fair enough, it is a very interesting question indeed. Though I think precedence might be found in newspapers copying each other's stories and "facts can't be copyrighted" kind of stuff.
  - mattigames 2y ago
    Life is a shade of grays, in this particular case I think it's reasonable to want to block big giant ugly ads (those infested with js for tracking purposes) but still believe that the site should always be allowed to display a lot less intrusive advertisement, like mentioning a restaurant in the article body, or some links at the side bar for their social media or partner sites, summarization of this kind just nukes all possibilities of clean simple advertising so no, I don't think it's that close as you believe to be to ad-blocker extensions.
    - CaptainFever 2y ago
      I disagree slightly. Ad blockers do block non-intrusive advertisements too, for example Ethical Ads, or sponsorblock on YouTube. To me it's less about intrusiveness/privacy and more about "I control what I see". And in-text ads can already be removed by summarisation tools (even from before the AI era!) or by apps like Boring Report.
- goodoldneon 2y ago
  If the incentives for creating content decrease then where will AI source from?
  - visarga 2y ago
    AI has millions of users. Some have hundreds of millions. Those people bring data right into the AI mouth. The collective effect of so many chat sessions will surpass what we publish today, and many more people will be in the loop.
paradite 2y ago
OpenAI is on track to shipping that: https://multi.app/blog/multi-is-joining-openai https://multi.app/blog/multi-is-joining-openai
- namanyayg 2y ago
  How is multi related to what the op is saying?
  - paradite 2y ago
    Assuming OpenAI wants the tech to control desktop applications using AI, the tech should be able to automate browser operations as well.
viraptor 2y ago
https://github.com/shreyaskarnik/DistiLlama https://github.com/shreyaskarnik/DistiLlama (not fully integrated, you have to start ollama separately, but it is all local)
namanyayg 2y ago
It doesn't need to be local. Google isn't local and the average joe is fine with that.

by GaggiX 2y ago

I believe that sooner or later we will see something similar to Perplexity that runs directly in your browser, opens the pages for you, and answers your question. Unless it has already been done.

lovethevoid 2y ago

Arc Search does that already. Can’t recall which provider(s) they rely on.

GaggiX 2y ago
I should have specified that by "runs directly in your browser" I meant running it locally on the machine. EDIT: You still have to rely on a server to index the web pages of interest.

VeejayRampay 2y ago

the content mentioned in the article was behind a paywall though, how are you going to circumvent that legally?

visarga 2y ago

And people will see less and less of the original material, popups, cookie warnings, floating videos and offers to join a mailing list. It's so sad (not)

mattigames 2y ago
Except that they will see a lot less revenue and a lot less engagement and the creators will lose incentives to keep creating, to be clear I also wholeheartedly hate a lot of those practices but it's a fact that many of them increase engagement.
CaptainFever 2y ago
Right, I just realised this debate is basically the same debate towards ad-blocking and paywall jumping (e.g. via archive.is). Of course opinions vary on HN but generally it feels like a "ad-blocking is cool, paywall hopping is cool, but the server also has the right to not give us the information". Given this, this is pretty sensational reporting by The Verge -- calling it theft, comparing it to crypto, breaking the "foundations of the internet" (... the Internet is about sharing) etc. This is a non-story, we already have these tools, this just adds an AI summary layer on top.
- falcor84 2y ago
  >This is a non-story, we already have these tools, this just adds an AI summary layer on top. This is a story. With ad blockers, the assumption was that the original page as a whole is valuable, but users just don't want to pay the cost of the ads and other obtrusive elements. But now we're opening up the question of what exactly is it on that page that's of actual value - is it just the text, or only some of the text, or only the "facts" expressed on the page, or maybe something even more abstract, such as how the page corroborates a fact on another page. I find this to be a really interesting question, both on a practical level and on an epistemological level - what is it that we as readers actually (want to) get from a resource?
  - CaptainFever 2y ago
    Fair enough, it is a very interesting question indeed. Though I think precedence might be found in newspapers copying each other's stories and "facts can't be copyrighted" kind of stuff.
- mattigames 2y ago
  Life is a shade of grays, in this particular case I think it's reasonable to want to block big giant ugly ads (those infested with js for tracking purposes) but still believe that the site should always be allowed to display a lot less intrusive advertisement, like mentioning a restaurant in the article body, or some links at the side bar for their social media or partner sites, summarization of this kind just nukes all possibilities of clean simple advertising so no, I don't think it's that close as you believe to be to ad-blocker extensions.
  - CaptainFever 2y ago
    I disagree slightly. Ad blockers do block non-intrusive advertisements too, for example Ethical Ads, or sponsorblock on YouTube. To me it's less about intrusiveness/privacy and more about "I control what I see". And in-text ads can already be removed by summarisation tools (even from before the AI era!) or by apps like Boring Report.
goodoldneon 2y ago
If the incentives for creating content decrease then where will AI source from?
- visarga 2y ago
  AI has millions of users. Some have hundreds of millions. Those people bring data right into the AI mouth. The collective effect of so many chat sessions will surpass what we publish today, and many more people will be in the loop.

paradite 2y ago

OpenAI is on track to shipping that: https://multi.app/blog/multi-is-joining-openai https://multi.app/blog/multi-is-joining-openai

namanyayg 2y ago
How is multi related to what the op is saying?
- paradite 2y ago
  Assuming OpenAI wants the tech to control desktop applications using AI, the tech should be able to automate browser operations as well.

viraptor 2y ago

https://github.com/shreyaskarnik/DistiLlama https://github.com/shreyaskarnik/DistiLlama (not fully integrated, you have to start ollama separately, but it is all local)

namanyayg 2y ago

It doesn't need to be local. Google isn't local and the average joe is fine with that.