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People want pickups that are efficient and do work. The old 4 banger shit box 2 wheel drive Toyota that you rode till it turned to rust. Give me something tha

People want pickups that are efficient and do work. The old 4 banger shit box 2 wheel drive Toyota that you rode till it turned to rust. Give me something that seats two, has ac and a radio (no giant screen) can fit a tool box and a sheet of plywood. You could make it electric. Hell if it can tow a small mini camper that would be great, but not needed.

raddan 2y ago
Amen.
pushfoo 2y ago
TL;DR: US manufacturers seem to favor the luxury market due to margins, but that might change To my understanding, there are two main demographics: * truck as tool (you and I) * truck as identity statement & luxury good Sadly, long-running vehicles don't fit the short-term stock price boost margins on luxury features seem to offer. As a result, we've moved past heated seats to focus on: * ever-growing size * tailgating accessories * touch screens and voice assistants However, even the target market for this seems to have its limits. I've seen a forum thread where people are asking what the point of Alexa is[1] if it doesn't integrate with anything. If you look at the "Similar threads" section at the bottom, there are plenty more Alexa sync issues. Maybe people will get fed up eventually? [1]: https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/is-alexa-useless.15139/ https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/is-alexa-us...
- shrubble 2y ago
  There are tax advantages as I understand it if the truck is over a certain weight. This skews preferences towards a larger truck, since small trucks don't weigh enough.
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- infecto 2y ago
  "margins..." and market buying behavior. Trucks are indeed comically large, partly due to buyers, partly margins and partly US emission laws.
- weberer 2y ago
  People are fed up, but the price floor for trucks are high due to US federal safety standards. These Kei trucks do not meet these standards, so manufacturers can sell them at a low price with decent margins.
lmpdev 2y ago
You just described the Toyota Hilux Champ $13,000 brand new If the Hilux is the terrorist’s choice this is the Myanmar Rebel’s (SE Asian market only) ——— Although my two cents as someone not blocked from Toyota’s best utility vehicles like those in the states are: The Toyota Landcruiser 70 series is the greatest pickup truck of all time bar none Essentially it’s the apocalypse version of the Hilux Only really ever popular in the middle east and Australia I see quite a few custom 6x6 double diesel tank variants in outback Australia Unfortunately Toyota realises how good it was/is and remarketed it at a price of ~$120,000 new
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  can't buy the Hilux in the US. you can buy the Tacoma, which is incredibly expensive by comparison. good truck, though -- Hilux robustness + N American Truck Luxury

raddan 2y ago

Amen.

pushfoo 2y ago

TL;DR: US manufacturers seem to favor the luxury market due to margins, but that might change To my understanding, there are two main demographics: * truck as tool (you and I) * truck as identity statement & luxury good Sadly, long-running vehicles don't fit the short-term stock price boost margins on luxury features seem to offer. As a result, we've moved past heated seats to focus on: * ever-growing size * tailgating accessories * touch screens and voice assistants However, even the target market for this seems to have its limits. I've seen a forum thread where people are asking what the point of Alexa is[1] if it doesn't integrate with anything. If you look at the "Similar threads" section at the bottom, there are plenty more Alexa sync issues. Maybe people will get fed up eventually? [1]: https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/is-alexa-useless.15139/ https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/threads/is-alexa-us...

shrubble 2y ago
There are tax advantages as I understand it if the truck is over a certain weight. This skews preferences towards a larger truck, since small trucks don't weigh enough.
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infecto 2y ago
"margins..." and market buying behavior. Trucks are indeed comically large, partly due to buyers, partly margins and partly US emission laws.
weberer 2y ago
People are fed up, but the price floor for trucks are high due to US federal safety standards. These Kei trucks do not meet these standards, so manufacturers can sell them at a low price with decent margins.

lmpdev 2y ago

You just described the Toyota Hilux Champ $13,000 brand new If the Hilux is the terrorist’s choice this is the Myanmar Rebel’s (SE Asian market only) ——— Although my two cents as someone not blocked from Toyota’s best utility vehicles like those in the states are: The Toyota Landcruiser 70 series is the greatest pickup truck of all time bar none Essentially it’s the apocalypse version of the Hilux Only really ever popular in the middle east and Australia I see quite a few custom 6x6 double diesel tank variants in outback Australia Unfortunately Toyota realises how good it was/is and remarketed it at a price of ~$120,000 new

red-iron-pine 2y ago
can't buy the Hilux in the US. you can buy the Tacoma, which is incredibly expensive by comparison. good truck, though -- Hilux robustness + N American Truck Luxury