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Why upgrade the mainboard? You only need this for CPU socket changes. You need to upgrade RAM/SSD/CPU much more frequently than the mainboard.

by sofixa 2y ago

askonomm 2y ago
The CPU is soldered to the mainboard and can't be swapped out on its own, unless I'm looking at it wrong on their website.
- BiteCode_dev 2y ago
  True, but the prices you list are the price of the board + the CPU. On this main board ($340): https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case-and-mainboard-kit?v=FRANHDCM01 https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case-and... The CPU is worth $250 already. You pay a $100 to get a swapable CPU on a laptop which is guaranteed to be compatible. You might value or not this feature, and that's fair. But I do value it a lot. Even on a tower, matching a board and a CPU is not a given. On a laptop, forget about it.
- N-Krause 2y ago
  The cpu, the heatsink and the mainboard are one part, that is correct. If you want to replace the cpu you have to place the other parts as well. Even though that is trivial. As for the costs: Yes the mainboards on frameworks website currently cost about 500-1000€, new laptops using those cpu's are tend to be a bit more expensive than just those parts, so you are saving a bit of money there. But in my opinion that is not the main selling point. The fact that you get a high quality, long lasting, well supported laptop from a company that respects it's customers and their problems coupled with the fact that it is just environmentally better is the main selling point. Yes currently you pay extra for those benefits. You have to choose if those things are worth more money than the next 3-year throwaway laptop. Btw: I am a very happy user of a Framework 16 as my gaming machine. So my opinion may be biased ;)
delta_p_delta_x 2y ago
The last Intel CPU micro-architecture to be offered with sockets for laptops was Haswell, where CPUs were offered in the Socket G3[1] package. I had one of these, Intel i7-4710MQ. Since then, every laptop Intel (and AMD, for that matter) CPU package has been BGA, and therefore soldered to motherboards. If you want to upgrade your CPU on a notebook, you must change your motherboard; no choice in the matter. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Socket_G3?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Socket_G3?wprov=sfla1
- xxs 2y ago
  Pretty much yeah -- all laptop CPUs since Haswell have been non-socketable/BGA. I still have a rather decent laptop with such a CPU - acer aspire v3-771g. It's still in daily use, after 8y back I had to replace a faulty mlcc (short to ground) that took a mosfet along with it.

Why upgrade the mainboard? You only need this for CPU socket changes. You need to upgrade RAM/SSD/CPU much more frequently than the mainboard.

by sofixa 2y ago

Why upgrade the mainboard? You only need this for CPU socket changes. You need to upgrade RAM/SSD/CPU much more frequently than the mainboard.

askonomm 2y ago

The CPU is soldered to the mainboard and can't be swapped out on its own, unless I'm looking at it wrong on their website.

BiteCode_dev 2y ago
True, but the prices you list are the price of the board + the CPU. On this main board ($340): https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case-and-mainboard-kit?v=FRANHDCM01 https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case-and... The CPU is worth $250 already. You pay a $100 to get a swapable CPU on a laptop which is guaranteed to be compatible. You might value or not this feature, and that's fair. But I do value it a lot. Even on a tower, matching a board and a CPU is not a given. On a laptop, forget about it.
N-Krause 2y ago
The cpu, the heatsink and the mainboard are one part, that is correct. If you want to replace the cpu you have to place the other parts as well. Even though that is trivial. As for the costs: Yes the mainboards on frameworks website currently cost about 500-1000€, new laptops using those cpu's are tend to be a bit more expensive than just those parts, so you are saving a bit of money there. But in my opinion that is not the main selling point. The fact that you get a high quality, long lasting, well supported laptop from a company that respects it's customers and their problems coupled with the fact that it is just environmentally better is the main selling point. Yes currently you pay extra for those benefits. You have to choose if those things are worth more money than the next 3-year throwaway laptop. Btw: I am a very happy user of a Framework 16 as my gaming machine. So my opinion may be biased ;)

delta_p_delta_x 2y ago

The last Intel CPU micro-architecture to be offered with sockets for laptops was Haswell, where CPUs were offered in the Socket G3[1] package. I had one of these, Intel i7-4710MQ. Since then, every laptop Intel (and AMD, for that matter) CPU package has been BGA, and therefore soldered to motherboards. If you want to upgrade your CPU on a notebook, you must change your motherboard; no choice in the matter. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Socket_G3?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Socket_G3?wprov=sfla1

xxs 2y ago
Pretty much yeah -- all laptop CPUs since Haswell have been non-socketable/BGA. I still have a rather decent laptop with such a CPU - acer aspire v3-771g. It's still in daily use, after 8y back I had to replace a faulty mlcc (short to ground) that took a mosfet along with it.