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I use it for similar reasons! But I do not have the pain point? For me secure boot just worked out of the box with Tumbleweed? Maybe old information? Nvidia off

by canpan 2y ago

I use it for similar reasons! But I do not have the pain point? For me secure boot just worked out of the box with Tumbleweed? Maybe old information? Nvidia official driver installation is a bit annoying. You need to add the nvidia repo. It is the same problem for other linux distros, like debian.

kergonath 2y ago
> You need to add the nvidia repo. I think I get nVidia’s drivers form one of the built in repositories. I still added nVidia’s for the CUDA development stuff.
- LiamPowell 2y ago
  The repo is official, but it's not installed by default. It's very easy to add as there's a package that adds it using the new services system, and zypper can auto-detect the correct packages for the hardware: zypper install openSUSE-repos-Leap-NVIDIA (or Tumbleweed/Slowroll) zypper install-new-recommends --repo repo-non-free
  - chefandy 2y ago
    Yeah, I'm sure it's braindead simple if you regularly do systems stuff on Linux, like I used to. But not having done that for a while, I needed to a) find the info for the different ways to install the driver on this distro and figure out which one applies, b) figure out which specific driver version you need, c) install it and then figure out which of the few dozen other packages in that repository you need to install, d) manually blacklist the nouveau driver which it inexplicably still tries to load, e) reboot which automatically bookts into MOK utils which asks you for a password and seemingly doesn't accept anything you enter, f) figure out how to re-run MOK Utils on boot to enroll the module, g) futz around setting the MOK Utils password until you're about to throw your computer out the window, h) figure out that the utility doesn't work with non-querty keyboard layouts, i) have to re-enroll every time the driver updates. Sure, it might be simple as far as Linux administration tasks go, but I'm not using Linux because I like dickering around with Linux-- I need a POSIX system that supports my hardware to use as a professional tool. Regardless of whether or not it's a fair comparison, my comparison is to the experience with Windows and MacOS. It's not a judgement of the competence of the people that made it or the overall product quality-- it's apples to oranges. Unfortunately, it's Apples-to-Oranges for a lot of UX and QoL factors as well.
  - kergonath 2y ago
    I am not 100% certain because I did not pay that much attention but I am fairly confident that the nVidia repo was set up without me entering any command when I installed Tumbleweed on a new desktop 3 weeks ago.
    - chefandy 2y ago
      Wasn't for me, though there may have been some installation option that I didn't pay attention to.
chefandy 2y ago
The process for using MOKutils to re-enroll the module key, requiring yet another password that I can't easily get from my password manager with every single driver update is a PITA. Maybe it's just that fragile on my system.

by canpan 2y ago

kergonath 2y ago

> You need to add the nvidia repo. I think I get nVidia’s drivers form one of the built in repositories. I still added nVidia’s for the CUDA development stuff.

LiamPowell 2y ago
The repo is official, but it's not installed by default. It's very easy to add as there's a package that adds it using the new services system, and zypper can auto-detect the correct packages for the hardware: zypper install openSUSE-repos-Leap-NVIDIA (or Tumbleweed/Slowroll) zypper install-new-recommends --repo repo-non-free
- chefandy 2y ago
  Yeah, I'm sure it's braindead simple if you regularly do systems stuff on Linux, like I used to. But not having done that for a while, I needed to a) find the info for the different ways to install the driver on this distro and figure out which one applies, b) figure out which specific driver version you need, c) install it and then figure out which of the few dozen other packages in that repository you need to install, d) manually blacklist the nouveau driver which it inexplicably still tries to load, e) reboot which automatically bookts into MOK utils which asks you for a password and seemingly doesn't accept anything you enter, f) figure out how to re-run MOK Utils on boot to enroll the module, g) futz around setting the MOK Utils password until you're about to throw your computer out the window, h) figure out that the utility doesn't work with non-querty keyboard layouts, i) have to re-enroll every time the driver updates. Sure, it might be simple as far as Linux administration tasks go, but I'm not using Linux because I like dickering around with Linux-- I need a POSIX system that supports my hardware to use as a professional tool. Regardless of whether or not it's a fair comparison, my comparison is to the experience with Windows and MacOS. It's not a judgement of the competence of the people that made it or the overall product quality-- it's apples to oranges. Unfortunately, it's Apples-to-Oranges for a lot of UX and QoL factors as well.
- kergonath 2y ago
  I am not 100% certain because I did not pay that much attention but I am fairly confident that the nVidia repo was set up without me entering any command when I installed Tumbleweed on a new desktop 3 weeks ago.
  - chefandy 2y ago
    Wasn't for me, though there may have been some installation option that I didn't pay attention to.

chefandy 2y ago

The process for using MOKutils to re-enroll the module key, requiring yet another password that I can't easily get from my password manager with every single driver update is a PITA. Maybe it's just that fragile on my system.