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No, you have the moral responsibility to not steal and no inalienable right to consume all media you can get your hands on.

m1n7 2y ago
"you wouldn't download a car" heck yes i would
m1n7 2y ago
are you implying that consuming media whilst blocking ads is stealing or do i just not get the sarcasm here. genuinely can't tell. you're right about the second part i guess. not everything is intended for a public audience (like some cringe video clip with friends from a few years ago). with everything else (cinema, music etc.) i'd argue that my need for entertainment is more important than making sure some billionaires make 20 bucks on my purchase, especially if i can't afford it. personally, i pirate everything and pay for stuff made by independent creators (foss devs, indie artists etc.) that i really like. perfectly moral
titusjohnson 2y ago
Adblocking does not constitute "theft" under even the most strained comparison. Just because the post office keeps putting trash in my mailbox doesn't mean it's theft for me to only keep the letters I care about. Throwing ads/spam/trash into the bin instead of keeping it in my house is not theft.
- thfuran 2y ago
  >Adblocking does not constitute "theft" under even the most strained comparison. As long as you accept that things like walking into a restaurant bathroom and taking a roll or two of toilet paper or going to a bank to take one of the pens don't constitute theft under even the most strained comparison. Using an ad-supported site with an adblocker is imposing costs on a service provider by abusing a service provided under certain assumptions that you're knowingly and deliberately violating.
  - GreenVulpine 2y ago
    The mental gymnastics to make ad blocking seem immoral are insane.
  - Whoove 2y ago
    Strange, I don't recall signing a contract stating that I'm obligated to help the websites I visit derive revenue from said visits.
  - angoragoats 2y ago
    No, it isn’t. And comparing ad blocking to theft of actual physical items is absolutely wild. You must realize that they’re completely different, right? Under your reasoning, I’d just argue that ads are a blight on the web, and steal from me by deliberately and knowingly wasting my computer’s resources and attempting to serve me malware. What do we do now? Whose right not to be stolen from wins out?
    - thfuran 2y ago
      >And comparing ad blocking to theft of actual physical items is absolutely wild. You must realize that they’re completely different, right? Serving a page costs money. Whether a physical good is exchanged isn't particularly relevant. >I’d just argue that ads are a blight on the web, and steal from me by deliberately and knowingly wasting my computer’s resources and attempting to serve me malware. What do we do now? Whose right not to be stolen from wins out? Ads are a blight on and off the web, but the advertisers generally aren't trying to serve you malware (though they don't always try hard enough not to). But claiming that the ads are theft is far more of a reach then claiming ad blockers are. If you don't want ads, stop requesting pages with ads.
      - angoragoats 2y ago
        > But claiming that the ads are theft is far more of a reach then claiming ad blockers are. [citation needed] It’s exactly the same. The electricity used to render the ad (which sometimes will contain video, animations, crypto miners, and other undesirable garbage) costs me real money. If they don’t want me to block ads, stop serving me ads with garbage in them. > advertisers generally aren't trying to serve you malware My friend, you are commenting on an article about an advertiser deliberately serving malware.

m1n7 2y ago

"you wouldn't download a car" heck yes i would

m1n7 2y ago

are you implying that consuming media whilst blocking ads is stealing or do i just not get the sarcasm here. genuinely can't tell. you're right about the second part i guess. not everything is intended for a public audience (like some cringe video clip with friends from a few years ago). with everything else (cinema, music etc.) i'd argue that my need for entertainment is more important than making sure some billionaires make 20 bucks on my purchase, especially if i can't afford it. personally, i pirate everything and pay for stuff made by independent creators (foss devs, indie artists etc.) that i really like. perfectly moral

titusjohnson 2y ago

Adblocking does not constitute "theft" under even the most strained comparison. Just because the post office keeps putting trash in my mailbox doesn't mean it's theft for me to only keep the letters I care about. Throwing ads/spam/trash into the bin instead of keeping it in my house is not theft.

thfuran 2y ago
>Adblocking does not constitute "theft" under even the most strained comparison. As long as you accept that things like walking into a restaurant bathroom and taking a roll or two of toilet paper or going to a bank to take one of the pens don't constitute theft under even the most strained comparison. Using an ad-supported site with an adblocker is imposing costs on a service provider by abusing a service provided under certain assumptions that you're knowingly and deliberately violating.
- GreenVulpine 2y ago
  The mental gymnastics to make ad blocking seem immoral are insane.
- Whoove 2y ago
  Strange, I don't recall signing a contract stating that I'm obligated to help the websites I visit derive revenue from said visits.
- angoragoats 2y ago
  No, it isn’t. And comparing ad blocking to theft of actual physical items is absolutely wild. You must realize that they’re completely different, right? Under your reasoning, I’d just argue that ads are a blight on the web, and steal from me by deliberately and knowingly wasting my computer’s resources and attempting to serve me malware. What do we do now? Whose right not to be stolen from wins out?
  - thfuran 2y ago
    >And comparing ad blocking to theft of actual physical items is absolutely wild. You must realize that they’re completely different, right? Serving a page costs money. Whether a physical good is exchanged isn't particularly relevant. >I’d just argue that ads are a blight on the web, and steal from me by deliberately and knowingly wasting my computer’s resources and attempting to serve me malware. What do we do now? Whose right not to be stolen from wins out? Ads are a blight on and off the web, but the advertisers generally aren't trying to serve you malware (though they don't always try hard enough not to). But claiming that the ads are theft is far more of a reach then claiming ad blockers are. If you don't want ads, stop requesting pages with ads.
    - angoragoats 2y ago
      > But claiming that the ads are theft is far more of a reach then claiming ad blockers are. [citation needed] It’s exactly the same. The electricity used to render the ad (which sometimes will contain video, animations, crypto miners, and other undesirable garbage) costs me real money. If they don’t want me to block ads, stop serving me ads with garbage in them. > advertisers generally aren't trying to serve you malware My friend, you are commenting on an article about an advertiser deliberately serving malware.