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aydyn 2y ago
No. R fundamentally has not really improved in the past ~10 years. Do you know much about how R works? Also try: gsub('serious', 'hyped', x)
- lottin 2y ago
  Maybe because it already does what it intends to do reasonably well? I mean, what do you think needs to be improved?
  - smcin 2y ago
    Here are 14 years of HN discussions/criticisms of R: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=R%20language&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... "Does what it intends to do reasonably well" is going to be widely subjective, depending on whether the user's use-case is statistical/life-sciences vs more general purpose coding and relying on many packages; prototyping/experimentation vs production code; whether the user uses base-R, or tidyverse/data.table, etc. Here are two of those many posts: * An opinionated view of the Tidyverse “dialect” of the R language (July 5, 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20362626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20362626 * The R programming language: The good, the bad, and the ugly (epatters.org, 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35571659 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35571659 -> https://www.epatters.org/post/r-lang/ https://www.epatters.org/post/r-lang/
  - aydyn 2y ago
    If youre unironically asserting that R already does everything well enough Im not going to take you seriously.
    - lottin 2y ago
      I'm asking what needs to be improved, in your opinion. That's a normal follow-up question that you should be able to answer. Otherwise, why are you even commenting?
      - aydyn 2y ago
        No you arent, youre clearly asking in a rhetorical way. Re-read your post. Any criticism brought up you'd dismiss. Heres one: lack of native 64 bit integers.
        lottin 2y ago
        No, I was just asking out of curiosity. You're overthinking too much.
        aydyn 2y ago
        No, you were clearly asserting that R already does everything needed. Stop trying to gaslight.
        lottin 2y ago
        You're crazy.
        dang 2y ago
        Please don't cross into personal attack or name-calling, and please especially avoid this sort of tit-for-tat spat with another user. It's way against the site guidelines and makes for boring reading. I know it's not always easy to extricate oneself but it's helpful to remember that the only way to 'win' is to stop. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
        dang 2y ago
        Please don't cross into personal attack or name-calling, and please especially avoid this sort of tit-for-tat spat with another user. It's way against the site guidelines and makes for boring reading. I know it's not always easy to extricate oneself but it's helpful to remember that the only way to 'win' is to stop. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
    - skotobaza 2y ago
      Yet you haven't provided any substantial points against it and assume that others will take you seriously...
openrisk 2y ago
The issue is that even if you peel the hype (which is a fact), python is still far larger. If you check e.g. the journal of open source software (which does not have much ML/AI bias), most of the papers are python, with an occasional R and julia submission.

s/serious/hyped

No. R fundamentally has not really improved in the past ~10 years. Do you know much about how R works? Also try: gsub('serious', 'hyped', x)

lottin 2y ago
Maybe because it already does what it intends to do reasonably well? I mean, what do you think needs to be improved?
- smcin 2y ago
  Here are 14 years of HN discussions/criticisms of R: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=R%20language&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... "Does what it intends to do reasonably well" is going to be widely subjective, depending on whether the user's use-case is statistical/life-sciences vs more general purpose coding and relying on many packages; prototyping/experimentation vs production code; whether the user uses base-R, or tidyverse/data.table, etc. Here are two of those many posts: * An opinionated view of the Tidyverse “dialect” of the R language (July 5, 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20362626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20362626 * The R programming language: The good, the bad, and the ugly (epatters.org, 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35571659 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35571659 -> https://www.epatters.org/post/r-lang/ https://www.epatters.org/post/r-lang/
- aydyn 2y ago
  If youre unironically asserting that R already does everything well enough Im not going to take you seriously.
  - lottin 2y ago
    I'm asking what needs to be improved, in your opinion. That's a normal follow-up question that you should be able to answer. Otherwise, why are you even commenting?
    - aydyn 2y ago
      No you arent, youre clearly asking in a rhetorical way. Re-read your post. Any criticism brought up you'd dismiss. Heres one: lack of native 64 bit integers.
      - lottin 2y ago
        No, I was just asking out of curiosity. You're overthinking too much.
        aydyn 2y ago
        No, you were clearly asserting that R already does everything needed. Stop trying to gaslight.
        lottin 2y ago
        You're crazy.
        dang 2y ago
        Please don't cross into personal attack or name-calling, and please especially avoid this sort of tit-for-tat spat with another user. It's way against the site guidelines and makes for boring reading. I know it's not always easy to extricate oneself but it's helpful to remember that the only way to 'win' is to stop. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
        dang 2y ago
        Please don't cross into personal attack or name-calling, and please especially avoid this sort of tit-for-tat spat with another user. It's way against the site guidelines and makes for boring reading. I know it's not always easy to extricate oneself but it's helpful to remember that the only way to 'win' is to stop. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
  - skotobaza 2y ago
    Yet you haven't provided any substantial points against it and assume that others will take you seriously...

openrisk 2y ago

The issue is that even if you peel the hype (which is a fact), python is still far larger. If you check e.g. the journal of open source software (which does not have much ML/AI bias), most of the papers are python, with an occasional R and julia submission.