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Is SUSE still used by anyone other than SAP or other German businesses?

by dudus 2y ago

wtf77 2y ago
tumbleweed here, rocking solid since last year (switched from MacOS)
badsectoracula 2y ago
I'm using openSUSE Tumbleweed as my main OS in recent years.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  I think they’re talking about large corps/businesses/governments, not individual users
  - theodric 2y ago
    I rather think "anyone" includes all comers, not just corporations
chefandy 2y ago
I use tumbleweed. In my line of work I need the official Nvidia divers and I 'prefer' to leave secure boot enabled. Tumbleweed makes that a huge pain in the ass... which is much better than most distros, where it's often impossible. Pop OS is the smoothest official Nvidia experience, but they don't support secure boot.
- brnt 2y ago
  Hmm, Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora seemed to do this fine on my system. No futzing required.
  - woodson 2y ago
    Yes, it should work just fine with mokutils.
  - chefandy 2y ago
    Yes– I didn't say exclusively, I said often. The bigger old distros are more likely to work.
- canpan 2y ago
  I use it for similar reasons! But I do not have the pain point? For me secure boot just worked out of the box with Tumbleweed? Maybe old information? Nvidia official driver installation is a bit annoying. You need to add the nvidia repo. It is the same problem for other linux distros, like debian.
  - kergonath 2y ago
    > You need to add the nvidia repo. I think I get nVidia’s drivers form one of the built in repositories. I still added nVidia’s for the CUDA development stuff.
    - LiamPowell 2y ago
      The repo is official, but it's not installed by default. It's very easy to add as there's a package that adds it using the new services system, and zypper can auto-detect the correct packages for the hardware: zypper install openSUSE-repos-Leap-NVIDIA (or Tumbleweed/Slowroll) zypper install-new-recommends --repo repo-non-free
      - chefandy 2y ago
        Yeah, I'm sure it's braindead simple if you regularly do systems stuff on Linux, like I used to. But not having done that for a while, I needed to a) find the info for the different ways to install the driver on this distro and figure out which one applies, b) figure out which specific driver version you need, c) install it and then figure out which of the few dozen other packages in that repository you need to install, d) manually blacklist the nouveau driver which it inexplicably still tries to load, e) reboot which automatically bookts into MOK utils which asks you for a password and seemingly doesn't accept anything you enter, f) figure out how to re-run MOK Utils on boot to enroll the module, g) futz around setting the MOK Utils password until you're about to throw your computer out the window, h) figure out that the utility doesn't work with non-querty keyboard layouts, i) have to re-enroll every time the driver updates. Sure, it might be simple as far as Linux administration tasks go, but I'm not using Linux because I like dickering around with Linux-- I need a POSIX system that supports my hardware to use as a professional tool. Regardless of whether or not it's a fair comparison, my comparison is to the experience with Windows and MacOS. It's not a judgement of the competence of the people that made it or the overall product quality-- it's apples to oranges. Unfortunately, it's Apples-to-Oranges for a lot of UX and QoL factors as well.
Rinzler89 2y ago
I use tumbleweed. It's like Arch but without the blood. I need a bleeding edge distro that's preconfigured for sanity out of the box and just works. If you do too give it a go.
- __loam 2y ago
  I've also used Tumbleweed after I had some problems with Arch. It's a very good distro but I ultimately switched to kubuntu she xubuntu because it was easier to install software.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    What do you mean by "it was easier"? I open Discover in KDE Tumbleweed, search for the SW I'm looking for, click Install, and then type my admin password to confirm. Don't even need to open the command line. What did you find difficult in that?
    - __loam 2y ago
      What I mean is that, when trying to find software for Linux, nearly everyone has an option available for Ubuntu and apt. The same isn't true for Tumbleweed unfortunately. You can fuck around with Fedora rpms when SUSE doesn't have an option but I had some issues with some software I use regularly. I still think Tumbleweed is an excellent distribution, I just find that installing the software I need is most frictionless on Ubuntu distributions.
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
        Which software you didn't find on tumbleweed? Packages that aren't native to Tumbleweed are available in Discover as Flatpacks. You're probably trying to look for software "the Windows way" of downloading the sw from a website in which case you mostly see .debs and .rpms but that doesn't mean it's not available in the tumbleweed repos or Flatpacks if you search Discover. Niche stuff not available in the official repos or Flatpacks can be found in the OPI(similar to Arch AUR) where the proprietary codecs also are.
powersnail 2y ago
Been using tumbleweed for my personal computer for years. Very solid.
petre 2y ago
We use Leap and are very happy with it.
djaouen 2y ago
My main OS was Tumbleweed until I recently switched to Guix System.
Barrin92 2y ago
Yes, quite a few of the big SK and Japanese automotive companies do, Hyundai, Toyota, Honda among others from talking to a friend who works in that sector a year or two ago. Pretty certain Walmart and Lenovo work with SUSE as well.
ValtteriL 2y ago
Finland's latest supercomputer Lumi runs SUSE.
cpach 2y ago
Home Depot use Suse. https://www.suse.com/success/the_home_depot/ https://www.suse.com/success/the_home_depot/
kccqzy 2y ago
Tumbleweed is my main Linux distribution.
kergonath 2y ago
I use it for (non-German) computational physics and various sciency stuff. It strikes a nice balance between stability and updates. It just gets out of the way and does not need babysitting. It’s great. It works fine with the nVidia drivers without messing around too much, which is not something I can say about most distributions I tried.
- DEADMINCE 2y ago
  > I use it for (non-German) computational physics and various sciency stuff. It strikes a nice balance between stability and updates. It just gets out of the way and does not need babysitting. It’s great. This is true for most distros though, so when I people see that as the reasoning for using a niche distro, I always think the reason is more because they like using a niche distro.
  - kergonath 2y ago
    > This is true for most distros though Not with secure boot (which I forgot to mention but I have to enable). AFAIK today there is OpenSuse, Ubuntu and RHEL. Last time I checked (about a year ago) there was OpenSuse and that was it. > I always think the reason is more because they like using a niche distro. Not at all. First, OpenSuse is not really niche. I don’t care about being edgy (or I would run something like Arch or Gentoo). It just is solid and works well. Again, it’s the robustness-updates balance.
    - DEADMINCE 2y ago
      > Not with secure boot (which I forgot to mention but I have to enable). AFAIK today there is OpenSuse, Ubuntu and RHEL. Last time I checked (about a year ago) there was OpenSuse and that was it. They're all just using the same MS signed loader are they not? And even if not, you certainly can on any distro. Secure boot and linux isn't a problem that ties you to a specific distro. > Not at all. First, OpenSuse is not really niche. It sure is, especially if you're not German or even European. > It just is solid and works well. Right, but so do most distros. Computing has advanced a lot so stability is the norm, there isn't anything special about OpenSuse.
dgan 2y ago
I use tumbleweed for my main laptop. I am in no way associated with Germans. I switched from debian 3 years ago, and am still happy
- BossingAround 2y ago
  It's the best bleeding edge distro. More stable than Arch, and rolling (unlike Fedora for which you have to a system upgrade every 6 months).
avhception 2y ago
While I am a German and started out with SuSE many years ago, I then left for Gentoo and Fedora / CentOS / RockyLinux and didn't look back for more than 15 years. Recently I gave Tumbleweed a shot and was surprised how good it was. I have since started switching some of my machines over and have been recommending it to friends.
LiamPowell 2y ago
It's very popular in HPC [1]. HPE Cray OS is SLES with HPE's additions. [1]: https://top500.org/statistics/list/ https://top500.org/statistics/list/
- p_l 2y ago
  Rackable, which was the company wearing SGI skin for few years and which was acquired by HPE, shipped SLES as their standard solution, with RHEL as second option.
axegon_ 2y ago
I am although I am on the fence. As a developer tumbleweed provides me with everything I need - new releases, new kernels, new packages, etc. Mind you I use Leap at work and I gotta say I am really disappointed. There are some new packages which I can only get running inside docker containers which is a huge pita. I might end up going back to fedora 10+ years after I decided I had had enough of it.
- sysrich 2y ago
  In Aeon you can have a distrobox of whatever distro you like So it isn’t a huge PITA to run Ubuntu or Fedora packages on Aeon
BossingAround 2y ago
SUSE did $0.67B in 2022. It's a live and vibrant company that focuses on traditional Linux and its management. Though it has cloud & container offerings of course, I think SUSE's greatest strength is for people that want to use multiple Linux distros (Debian and Debian-likes, RH and RH-likes) and get support for all of them under one roof. I don't know which particular customers are using it, but given the revenue, there must be _a lot_ of SUSE systems in the corporate world.
- pelasaco 2y ago
  Add to this equation, the rancher products
  - BossingAround 2y ago
    I would think that the container world is dominated by OpenShift, tailed by using plain K8s.
    - pelasaco 2y ago
      It doesn't exclude SUSE having a market share with their Rancher based solutions
theodric 2y ago
Me. 25 years on Debian, but couldn't get it to cooperate for my VFIO passthrough multi-workstation. Arch worked great until one day, a few days before I had to leave home for a couple months, I unwisely performed updates which broke everything so comprehensively that I couldn't get them fixed in time and ended up having to rely on cloud compute rather than my GPU. (This actually happened twice, but only once before travel.) I've been on Tumbleweed since. The one time it broke something, I rolled back the snapshot and continued what I was doing. The machine is an appliance which is exactly what I need: the VMs are where the action is, and I don't want to have to wonder if I will find out I can't use my CAD package or AI sandbox because the host broke again.
type0 2y ago
its fairly common in EU, my local grocery store uses SUSE on their customer self service terminals
LorenDB 2y ago
Tumbleweed daily driver here, for both work and home use.
bjoli 2y ago
I run aeon. Pretty happy with the experience so far.
KolenCh 2y ago
One of the top 10 supercomputer NERSC use SUSE enterprise Linux which corresponds to OpenSUSE Leap.
aaravchen 2y ago
That was my thinking too, until I started looking into them again more recently. They're now basically distributing variant alternatives of Fedora that usually have far better implementation and design choices, but mostly use the same underlying technologies. They only have a few in-house tools, unlike Fedora that decides to spin new undocumented ones with questionable design each week it seems, and focus hard on rock solid performance. And they've been jumping in to fill the gaps RedHat leaves, while also pursuing the more modern edge compute/cluster corporations are very interested in. As an individual user's daily driver, the documentation is severely lacking for their immutable distros, but if you're experienced enough you can often find Fedora Atomic documentation to get you close. There are still some major hurdles though, like not all Fedora RPMs can be directly installed on OpenSUSE (e.g. CrowdSec) when there is no OpenSUSE version, and some corrected idiocies of Fedora Atomic cause problems (e.g. nix install for ostree only works on immutable distros with ephemerally writeable rootfs, which also eliminates 80% of the benefit of immutables but is the Fedora default and not the default for OpenSUSE).

Is SUSE still used by anyone other than SAP or other German businesses?

by dudus 2y ago

Is SUSE still used by anyone other than SAP or other German businesses?

wtf77 2y ago

tumbleweed here, rocking solid since last year (switched from MacOS)

badsectoracula 2y ago

I'm using openSUSE Tumbleweed as my main OS in recent years.

EasyMark 2y ago
I think they’re talking about large corps/businesses/governments, not individual users
- theodric 2y ago
  I rather think "anyone" includes all comers, not just corporations

chefandy 2y ago

I use tumbleweed. In my line of work I need the official Nvidia divers and I 'prefer' to leave secure boot enabled. Tumbleweed makes that a huge pain in the ass... which is much better than most distros, where it's often impossible. Pop OS is the smoothest official Nvidia experience, but they don't support secure boot.

brnt 2y ago
Hmm, Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora seemed to do this fine on my system. No futzing required.
- woodson 2y ago
  Yes, it should work just fine with mokutils.
- chefandy 2y ago
  Yes– I didn't say exclusively, I said often. The bigger old distros are more likely to work.
canpan 2y ago
I use it for similar reasons! But I do not have the pain point? For me secure boot just worked out of the box with Tumbleweed? Maybe old information? Nvidia official driver installation is a bit annoying. You need to add the nvidia repo. It is the same problem for other linux distros, like debian.
- kergonath 2y ago
  > You need to add the nvidia repo. I think I get nVidia’s drivers form one of the built in repositories. I still added nVidia’s for the CUDA development stuff.
  - LiamPowell 2y ago
    The repo is official, but it's not installed by default. It's very easy to add as there's a package that adds it using the new services system, and zypper can auto-detect the correct packages for the hardware: zypper install openSUSE-repos-Leap-NVIDIA (or Tumbleweed/Slowroll) zypper install-new-recommends --repo repo-non-free
    - chefandy 2y ago
      Yeah, I'm sure it's braindead simple if you regularly do systems stuff on Linux, like I used to. But not having done that for a while, I needed to a) find the info for the different ways to install the driver on this distro and figure out which one applies, b) figure out which specific driver version you need, c) install it and then figure out which of the few dozen other packages in that repository you need to install, d) manually blacklist the nouveau driver which it inexplicably still tries to load, e) reboot which automatically bookts into MOK utils which asks you for a password and seemingly doesn't accept anything you enter, f) figure out how to re-run MOK Utils on boot to enroll the module, g) futz around setting the MOK Utils password until you're about to throw your computer out the window, h) figure out that the utility doesn't work with non-querty keyboard layouts, i) have to re-enroll every time the driver updates. Sure, it might be simple as far as Linux administration tasks go, but I'm not using Linux because I like dickering around with Linux-- I need a POSIX system that supports my hardware to use as a professional tool. Regardless of whether or not it's a fair comparison, my comparison is to the experience with Windows and MacOS. It's not a judgement of the competence of the people that made it or the overall product quality-- it's apples to oranges. Unfortunately, it's Apples-to-Oranges for a lot of UX and QoL factors as well.

Rinzler89 2y ago

I use tumbleweed. It's like Arch but without the blood. I need a bleeding edge distro that's preconfigured for sanity out of the box and just works. If you do too give it a go.

__loam 2y ago
I've also used Tumbleweed after I had some problems with Arch. It's a very good distro but I ultimately switched to kubuntu she xubuntu because it was easier to install software.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  What do you mean by "it was easier"? I open Discover in KDE Tumbleweed, search for the SW I'm looking for, click Install, and then type my admin password to confirm. Don't even need to open the command line. What did you find difficult in that?
  - __loam 2y ago
    What I mean is that, when trying to find software for Linux, nearly everyone has an option available for Ubuntu and apt. The same isn't true for Tumbleweed unfortunately. You can fuck around with Fedora rpms when SUSE doesn't have an option but I had some issues with some software I use regularly. I still think Tumbleweed is an excellent distribution, I just find that installing the software I need is most frictionless on Ubuntu distributions.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      Which software you didn't find on tumbleweed? Packages that aren't native to Tumbleweed are available in Discover as Flatpacks. You're probably trying to look for software "the Windows way" of downloading the sw from a website in which case you mostly see .debs and .rpms but that doesn't mean it's not available in the tumbleweed repos or Flatpacks if you search Discover. Niche stuff not available in the official repos or Flatpacks can be found in the OPI(similar to Arch AUR) where the proprietary codecs also are.

powersnail 2y ago

Been using tumbleweed for my personal computer for years. Very solid.

petre 2y ago

We use Leap and are very happy with it.

djaouen 2y ago

My main OS was Tumbleweed until I recently switched to Guix System.

Barrin92 2y ago

Yes, quite a few of the big SK and Japanese automotive companies do, Hyundai, Toyota, Honda among others from talking to a friend who works in that sector a year or two ago. Pretty certain Walmart and Lenovo work with SUSE as well.

ValtteriL 2y ago

Finland's latest supercomputer Lumi runs SUSE.

cpach 2y ago

Home Depot use Suse. https://www.suse.com/success/the_home_depot/ https://www.suse.com/success/the_home_depot/

kccqzy 2y ago

Tumbleweed is my main Linux distribution.

kergonath 2y ago

I use it for (non-German) computational physics and various sciency stuff. It strikes a nice balance between stability and updates. It just gets out of the way and does not need babysitting. It’s great. It works fine with the nVidia drivers without messing around too much, which is not something I can say about most distributions I tried.

DEADMINCE 2y ago
> I use it for (non-German) computational physics and various sciency stuff. It strikes a nice balance between stability and updates. It just gets out of the way and does not need babysitting. It’s great. This is true for most distros though, so when I people see that as the reasoning for using a niche distro, I always think the reason is more because they like using a niche distro.
- kergonath 2y ago
  > This is true for most distros though Not with secure boot (which I forgot to mention but I have to enable). AFAIK today there is OpenSuse, Ubuntu and RHEL. Last time I checked (about a year ago) there was OpenSuse and that was it. > I always think the reason is more because they like using a niche distro. Not at all. First, OpenSuse is not really niche. I don’t care about being edgy (or I would run something like Arch or Gentoo). It just is solid and works well. Again, it’s the robustness-updates balance.
  - DEADMINCE 2y ago
    > Not with secure boot (which I forgot to mention but I have to enable). AFAIK today there is OpenSuse, Ubuntu and RHEL. Last time I checked (about a year ago) there was OpenSuse and that was it. They're all just using the same MS signed loader are they not? And even if not, you certainly can on any distro. Secure boot and linux isn't a problem that ties you to a specific distro. > Not at all. First, OpenSuse is not really niche. It sure is, especially if you're not German or even European. > It just is solid and works well. Right, but so do most distros. Computing has advanced a lot so stability is the norm, there isn't anything special about OpenSuse.

dgan 2y ago

I use tumbleweed for my main laptop. I am in no way associated with Germans. I switched from debian 3 years ago, and am still happy

BossingAround 2y ago
It's the best bleeding edge distro. More stable than Arch, and rolling (unlike Fedora for which you have to a system upgrade every 6 months).

avhception 2y ago

While I am a German and started out with SuSE many years ago, I then left for Gentoo and Fedora / CentOS / RockyLinux and didn't look back for more than 15 years. Recently I gave Tumbleweed a shot and was surprised how good it was. I have since started switching some of my machines over and have been recommending it to friends.

LiamPowell 2y ago

It's very popular in HPC [1]. HPE Cray OS is SLES with HPE's additions. [1]: https://top500.org/statistics/list/ https://top500.org/statistics/list/

p_l 2y ago
Rackable, which was the company wearing SGI skin for few years and which was acquired by HPE, shipped SLES as their standard solution, with RHEL as second option.

axegon_ 2y ago

I am although I am on the fence. As a developer tumbleweed provides me with everything I need - new releases, new kernels, new packages, etc. Mind you I use Leap at work and I gotta say I am really disappointed. There are some new packages which I can only get running inside docker containers which is a huge pita. I might end up going back to fedora 10+ years after I decided I had had enough of it.

sysrich 2y ago
In Aeon you can have a distrobox of whatever distro you like So it isn’t a huge PITA to run Ubuntu or Fedora packages on Aeon

BossingAround 2y ago

SUSE did $0.67B in 2022. It's a live and vibrant company that focuses on traditional Linux and its management. Though it has cloud & container offerings of course, I think SUSE's greatest strength is for people that want to use multiple Linux distros (Debian and Debian-likes, RH and RH-likes) and get support for all of them under one roof. I don't know which particular customers are using it, but given the revenue, there must be _a lot_ of SUSE systems in the corporate world.

pelasaco 2y ago
Add to this equation, the rancher products
- BossingAround 2y ago
  I would think that the container world is dominated by OpenShift, tailed by using plain K8s.
  - pelasaco 2y ago
    It doesn't exclude SUSE having a market share with their Rancher based solutions

theodric 2y ago

Me. 25 years on Debian, but couldn't get it to cooperate for my VFIO passthrough multi-workstation. Arch worked great until one day, a few days before I had to leave home for a couple months, I unwisely performed updates which broke everything so comprehensively that I couldn't get them fixed in time and ended up having to rely on cloud compute rather than my GPU. (This actually happened twice, but only once before travel.) I've been on Tumbleweed since. The one time it broke something, I rolled back the snapshot and continued what I was doing. The machine is an appliance which is exactly what I need: the VMs are where the action is, and I don't want to have to wonder if I will find out I can't use my CAD package or AI sandbox because the host broke again.

type0 2y ago

its fairly common in EU, my local grocery store uses SUSE on their customer self service terminals

LorenDB 2y ago

Tumbleweed daily driver here, for both work and home use.

bjoli 2y ago

I run aeon. Pretty happy with the experience so far.

KolenCh 2y ago

One of the top 10 supercomputer NERSC use SUSE enterprise Linux which corresponds to OpenSUSE Leap.

aaravchen 2y ago

That was my thinking too, until I started looking into them again more recently. They're now basically distributing variant alternatives of Fedora that usually have far better implementation and design choices, but mostly use the same underlying technologies. They only have a few in-house tools, unlike Fedora that decides to spin new undocumented ones with questionable design each week it seems, and focus hard on rock solid performance. And they've been jumping in to fill the gaps RedHat leaves, while also pursuing the more modern edge compute/cluster corporations are very interested in. As an individual user's daily driver, the documentation is severely lacking for their immutable distros, but if you're experienced enough you can often find Fedora Atomic documentation to get you close. There are still some major hurdles though, like not all Fedora RPMs can be directly installed on OpenSUSE (e.g. CrowdSec) when there is no OpenSUSE version, and some corrected idiocies of Fedora Atomic cause problems (e.g. nix install for ostree only works on immutable distros with ephemerally writeable rootfs, which also eliminates 80% of the benefit of immutables but is the Fedora default and not the default for OpenSUSE).