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I don't see how this is for lazy developers, it seems that you'll need to learn a new system with new quirks and probably make your own packages.

teleforce 2y ago
From the article the desktop is for "who want to focus on their work rather than desktop administration", that's their definition of lazy.
- nikanj 2y ago
  But what that mean in practice? Every Linux distro promises they are the ”works out of the box” one
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    > But what that mean in practice? I think the key idea is that this system is meant to require zero maintenance; it automates updates, it provides rollbacks if anything goes wrong, it prevents most ways of modifying the OS and sticks applications in containers/sandboxes. > Every Linux distro promises they are the ”works out of the box” one Well not every - Arch, Gentoo, Alpine, Slackware, NixOS...
    - teleforce 2y ago
      Funny that you mentioned these distro but I've never installed them, perhaps installed Slackware once, more than 20 years ago then just used Red Hat 7 (the original 7 not the later 7 version). After that Ubuntu and its derivatives. What people don't realized that most of the Windows and MacOS users never installed their desktop OS, it come pre-installed. The main problem with these "works out the box" distro, there's no "box" to start with. Tried to installed Gentoo when it's initially released but it's a death by thousand cuts if you know what I meant, conflict after conflict resolution, and painfully slow installation process due to it's a source based distro. If Aeon can work as promised, I think it will be a huge success provided that they solve the installation nightmare of many Linux OS and install seamlessly on mainstream laptop hardware.
      - BossingAround 2y ago
        > The main problem with these "works out the box" distro, there's no "box" to start with. You know, I realized this recently, as I was updating the HW in my desktop PC. After days of trying to figure out why an AMD GPU is power throttling (and thus giving me ~20% of the performance I paid for), I just gave up and installed Windows. It pains me (and honestly, it's a huge pain to set up Windows from scratch as well), but at least the proprietary driver blobs that you can download work as advertised. This really showed me that in my free time, I don't want to futz around with setting up my HW on Linux. I just want to use it. And even though I bought a computer that officially supports Linux (intel nuc extreme), the experience of setting it up is pretty bad even for me, a software engineer who's been using and administering Linux for the past ~15 years at work.
      - nineteen999 2y ago
        > Tried to installed Gentoo when it's initially released but it's a death by thousand cuts Try rolling your own LFS distro (Linux from Scratch) sometime. It will make Gentoo seem like a Fisher Price toy. Plus you'll learn way, way more.
- j16sdiz 2y ago
  I am confused at the "for developer" bit. How does it different from, say, a lazy desktop for non-developer?
stryan 2y ago
You only need to make your own packages if you're not already building containers, flatpaks, or RPM's, though RPMs are discouraged.
type0 2y ago
I tried it, in my mind it lacks customizable options that many devs would like to have. Bluefin DX (Fedora Silverblue remix) is slightly better option if you develop for cloud services.

teleforce 2y ago

From the article the desktop is for "who want to focus on their work rather than desktop administration", that's their definition of lazy.

nikanj 2y ago
But what that mean in practice? Every Linux distro promises they are the ”works out of the box” one
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  > But what that mean in practice? I think the key idea is that this system is meant to require zero maintenance; it automates updates, it provides rollbacks if anything goes wrong, it prevents most ways of modifying the OS and sticks applications in containers/sandboxes. > Every Linux distro promises they are the ”works out of the box” one Well not every - Arch, Gentoo, Alpine, Slackware, NixOS...
  - teleforce 2y ago
    Funny that you mentioned these distro but I've never installed them, perhaps installed Slackware once, more than 20 years ago then just used Red Hat 7 (the original 7 not the later 7 version). After that Ubuntu and its derivatives. What people don't realized that most of the Windows and MacOS users never installed their desktop OS, it come pre-installed. The main problem with these "works out the box" distro, there's no "box" to start with. Tried to installed Gentoo when it's initially released but it's a death by thousand cuts if you know what I meant, conflict after conflict resolution, and painfully slow installation process due to it's a source based distro. If Aeon can work as promised, I think it will be a huge success provided that they solve the installation nightmare of many Linux OS and install seamlessly on mainstream laptop hardware.
    - BossingAround 2y ago
      > The main problem with these "works out the box" distro, there's no "box" to start with. You know, I realized this recently, as I was updating the HW in my desktop PC. After days of trying to figure out why an AMD GPU is power throttling (and thus giving me ~20% of the performance I paid for), I just gave up and installed Windows. It pains me (and honestly, it's a huge pain to set up Windows from scratch as well), but at least the proprietary driver blobs that you can download work as advertised. This really showed me that in my free time, I don't want to futz around with setting up my HW on Linux. I just want to use it. And even though I bought a computer that officially supports Linux (intel nuc extreme), the experience of setting it up is pretty bad even for me, a software engineer who's been using and administering Linux for the past ~15 years at work.
    - nineteen999 2y ago
      > Tried to installed Gentoo when it's initially released but it's a death by thousand cuts Try rolling your own LFS distro (Linux from Scratch) sometime. It will make Gentoo seem like a Fisher Price toy. Plus you'll learn way, way more.
j16sdiz 2y ago
I am confused at the "for developer" bit. How does it different from, say, a lazy desktop for non-developer?

stryan 2y ago

You only need to make your own packages if you're not already building containers, flatpaks, or RPM's, though RPMs are discouraged.

type0 2y ago

I tried it, in my mind it lacks customizable options that many devs would like to have. Bluefin DX (Fedora Silverblue remix) is slightly better option if you develop for cloud services.