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idk, I honestly think congestion pricing would still be a good idea even if they just lit all the toll proceeds on fire. I almost wonder if it was a political b
by leetcrew 2y ago
idk, I honestly think congestion pricing would still be a good idea even if they just lit all the toll proceeds on fire. I almost wonder if it was a political blunder to couple "reduce cars in lower manhatten" with "more funding for MTA" in the first place.
- walterbell 2y agoCongestion pricing has little impact on the unlimited number of cars (unlike regulated taxis) that can enter Manhattan and drive around for hours for Uber/Lyft.
- leetcrew 2y agoI haven't yet chosen a side in the great uber vs taxi debate. but in general, driving lots of different people around all day sounds like a pretty good use of a car. it would be great to have a more comprehensive approach for pricing the least productive vehicle uses out of the most congested areas, but setting up tolls in a few choke points is a good start.
- walterbell 2y ago> driving lots of different people around all day Perhaps academics or NYC can analyze and publish data from Uber/Lyft on average rideshare occupancy by time of day and GPS location, e.g. what percentage of time is spent driving around empty (consuming energy, polluting), carrying a paid passenger, or parked in an area close to expected customers.
- woodruffw 2y agoSure it does, if they enter and leave the CBD. Cars coming and going from the UES and UWS, for example, would be subject to the charge. (But at the same time: I don't think anybody has claimed that it's a panacea. Congestion pricing can be both good policy and still have gaps.)
- walterbell 2y ago> still have gaps There's always the opportunity for street/sector level surveillance via automated license plate readers. Your favorite neighborhood or street has too many cars? Impose quotas, vary the quota by time/season that only a computer can decipher, then sell "Fast Pass" exceptions to generate more revenue. Win for neo-feudal middleman, without brand licensing fees for the "environment" that justified a new digital on-demand toll economy.
- woodruffw 2y agoI don’t understand what this has to do with congestion pricing, which AFAICT had a very simple (arguably too simple, per complaints about charging blue collar workers) fare schedule. (I also don’t think anybody would describe Manhattan’s CBD as their favorite neighborhood.)
- walterbell 2y ago> what this has to do with congestion pricing Try a web search for geo-fencing, which is closely coupled to modern technology for enforcement of geo boundaries that are not gated by a physical barrier. Manhattan Central Business District (CBD) is defined as "Manhattan south of and inclusive of 60th St" excluding some through-traffic highways. > don't think anybody would described Manhattan’s CBD as their favorite neighborhood It includes neighborhoods such as these, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Manhattan_neighborhoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Manhattan_neighborhood... Chelsea Chinatown Flatiron Greenwich Village Koreatown Little Italy Lower East Side NoLita SoHo Tribeca
- Arainach 2y agoSource? It absolutely has impact, as shown in other cities which have implemented congestion pricing.
- walterbell 2y agoImpact on Uber/Lyft drivers?
- kevin_thibedeau 2y agoRideshares were capped in 2018. Only EVs are exempt from the limit.
- walterbell 2y agoThanks. Do you know how the limit is enforced?
- paulgb 2y agoUber/Lyft drivers in NYC need special plates (that start with a "T"). The commission that regulates them can simply restrict how many plates it issues/renews.
- paulgb 2y agoUnlike in other cities, Uber/Lyft in NYC are regulated like taxis and limos. NYC has been paying a congestion surcharge on each ride since 2019, which was set to go up as part of the new congestion pricing program.