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> total amount prescribed opioids through time This... Dr were involved too! > long term pain management opioids suck Opioids suck. And the medical professio

> total amount prescribed opioids through time This... Dr were involved too! > long term pain management opioids suck Opioids suck. And the medical profession was complicit. For a class that is supposed to be professional and well informed most Dr's are, shockingly, not that bright.

Retric 2y ago
> Dr where involved too! The actions of individual Doctors acting on their own simply don’t explain trends. Doctors and the FDA etc were straight up lied to. I don’t think it’s reasonable to hold Doctors accountable for when some pharmaceutical company commits fraud. That doesn’t mean every doctor was blameless, but individual Doctors have always behaved poorly it was true before the opioid epidemic and it’s still true today.
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  > Doctors and the FDA etc were straight up lied to Oh please. Doctors, did not believe the preponderance of evidence that ulcers were caused by bacteria. The reason, the person who discovered it was a vet. They had to give the man a Nobel Prize to get Dr's to pry their heads out of their self aggrandizing asses and pay attention to reality. Opioids were addictive. They never stoped being that. Dr's were fiscally motivated to prescribe. Nothing more nothing less.
  - Retric 2y ago
    > Doctors, did not .. The reason, the person who discovered it was a vet. You’re wildly incorrect, nobody involved was a vet. Barry Marshall shared that Nobel and is a Doctor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall Robin Warren received his M.B.B.S. an undergraduate degree focused on medical research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Warren https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Warren He worked at: “SA Pathology, (formerly the Institute of Medical and Veterinary Science (IMVS)), is an organisation providing diagnostic and clinical pathology services throughout South Australia for the public health sector.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA_Pathology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA_Pathology So whatever source you read that misinformation from is not trustworthy. > Opioids where addictive Hindsight bias here. We don’t want medical professionals to discard new information in favor of older treatments. There’s no way doctors can on their own replicate the medical research linking Ulcers with a bacterial infection and independently judge oxycodone’s effectiveness, and a dozen other drugs etc. Extended-release (ER) oxycodone was literally a new drug and described as not having the same issues associated with other Opioids on labeling approved by the FDA. The crazy thing is how effective this all was. Medical schools were teaching students to hand out more opioids.
    - beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
      Chinese emporers were controlling opiates all the way back in the 1700s and the British were tied up in war for 20 years over the wreckage to the Chinese addicts. The doctors, all college educated, some of our most studied and intelligent citizens, they knew about the history of opiates and im not talking about the dare campaign. I knew before the epidemic even got into force when I tossed the opiates I was prescribed in the trashcan. The oxy marketing was just the wink and the nod everybody needed to convince themselves to parrot with a straight face, but they didn't actually really believe it.
      - Retric 2y ago
        This wasn’t just marketing, this was drug labeling approved by the FDA and new guidelines for pain management they where teaching in med schools.
        beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
        It's a valid point. Another valid point is at that time it was known the FDA had a history of approving addictive drugs. It is not evidence based to trust FDA over hundreds of years of history countering otherwise. I knew LOTS of people who turned down or tossed opiate scripts during that time because the long history was obvious to anyone with half a brain.
        lupusreal 2y ago
        Yep, many people knew all along. Many didn't know, but doctors of all people had no excuse to be among the not knowers.
      - ab5tract 2y ago
        “Tied up in a war” is a funny way to say “aggressively breaking Chinese law in order to hook local populations, make tons of drug money, and collapse public order.” The Opium Wars were a cynical prototype for the modern war on drugs, which was initiated with similar designs and outcomes.
  - immibis 2y ago
    Doctors also refused to believe the germ theory of disease because it would imply they were all incompetent before then. Lots and lots of people died from infections transmitted by unwashed hands.

Retric 2y ago

> Dr where involved too! The actions of individual Doctors acting on their own simply don’t explain trends. Doctors and the FDA etc were straight up lied to. I don’t think it’s reasonable to hold Doctors accountable for when some pharmaceutical company commits fraud. That doesn’t mean every doctor was blameless, but individual Doctors have always behaved poorly it was true before the opioid epidemic and it’s still true today.

zer00eyz 2y ago
> Doctors and the FDA etc were straight up lied to Oh please. Doctors, did not believe the preponderance of evidence that ulcers were caused by bacteria. The reason, the person who discovered it was a vet. They had to give the man a Nobel Prize to get Dr's to pry their heads out of their self aggrandizing asses and pay attention to reality. Opioids were addictive. They never stoped being that. Dr's were fiscally motivated to prescribe. Nothing more nothing less.
- Retric 2y ago
  > Doctors, did not .. The reason, the person who discovered it was a vet. You’re wildly incorrect, nobody involved was a vet. Barry Marshall shared that Nobel and is a Doctor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall Robin Warren received his M.B.B.S. an undergraduate degree focused on medical research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Warren https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Warren He worked at: “SA Pathology, (formerly the Institute of Medical and Veterinary Science (IMVS)), is an organisation providing diagnostic and clinical pathology services throughout South Australia for the public health sector.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA_Pathology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA_Pathology So whatever source you read that misinformation from is not trustworthy. > Opioids where addictive Hindsight bias here. We don’t want medical professionals to discard new information in favor of older treatments. There’s no way doctors can on their own replicate the medical research linking Ulcers with a bacterial infection and independently judge oxycodone’s effectiveness, and a dozen other drugs etc. Extended-release (ER) oxycodone was literally a new drug and described as not having the same issues associated with other Opioids on labeling approved by the FDA. The crazy thing is how effective this all was. Medical schools were teaching students to hand out more opioids.
  - beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
    Chinese emporers were controlling opiates all the way back in the 1700s and the British were tied up in war for 20 years over the wreckage to the Chinese addicts. The doctors, all college educated, some of our most studied and intelligent citizens, they knew about the history of opiates and im not talking about the dare campaign. I knew before the epidemic even got into force when I tossed the opiates I was prescribed in the trashcan. The oxy marketing was just the wink and the nod everybody needed to convince themselves to parrot with a straight face, but they didn't actually really believe it.
    - Retric 2y ago
      This wasn’t just marketing, this was drug labeling approved by the FDA and new guidelines for pain management they where teaching in med schools.
      - beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
        It's a valid point. Another valid point is at that time it was known the FDA had a history of approving addictive drugs. It is not evidence based to trust FDA over hundreds of years of history countering otherwise. I knew LOTS of people who turned down or tossed opiate scripts during that time because the long history was obvious to anyone with half a brain.
        lupusreal 2y ago
        Yep, many people knew all along. Many didn't know, but doctors of all people had no excuse to be among the not knowers.
    - ab5tract 2y ago
      “Tied up in a war” is a funny way to say “aggressively breaking Chinese law in order to hook local populations, make tons of drug money, and collapse public order.” The Opium Wars were a cynical prototype for the modern war on drugs, which was initiated with similar designs and outcomes.
- immibis 2y ago
  Doctors also refused to believe the germ theory of disease because it would imply they were all incompetent before then. Lots and lots of people died from infections transmitted by unwashed hands.