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You can directly count the total amount prescribed opioids through time and adjust for potency. Purdue Pharma didn’t just manufacture a drug. They did a great

by Retric 2y ago

You can directly count the total amount prescribed opioids through time and adjust for potency. Purdue Pharma didn’t just manufacture a drug. They did a great deal of behind the scenes manipulating so even people who did not seek out severe pain medication were prescribed extremely high doses. In terms of long term pain management opioids suck. People need increasing doses over time until the drugs side effects become toxic. Not such a problem in hospice or someone in an ambulance after a major accident, but handing them to people with chronic conditions guarantees a downward spiral. Perdue Pharma knew this, strait up lied about it, and even pleaded guilty to mislabeling OxyContin.

zer00eyz 2y ago
> total amount prescribed opioids through time This... Dr were involved too! > long term pain management opioids suck Opioids suck. And the medical profession was complicit. For a class that is supposed to be professional and well informed most Dr's are, shockingly, not that bright.
- Retric 2y ago
  > Dr where involved too! The actions of individual Doctors acting on their own simply don’t explain trends. Doctors and the FDA etc were straight up lied to. I don’t think it’s reasonable to hold Doctors accountable for when some pharmaceutical company commits fraud. That doesn’t mean every doctor was blameless, but individual Doctors have always behaved poorly it was true before the opioid epidemic and it’s still true today.
  - zer00eyz 2y ago
    > Doctors and the FDA etc were straight up lied to Oh please. Doctors, did not believe the preponderance of evidence that ulcers were caused by bacteria. The reason, the person who discovered it was a vet. They had to give the man a Nobel Prize to get Dr's to pry their heads out of their self aggrandizing asses and pay attention to reality. Opioids were addictive. They never stoped being that. Dr's were fiscally motivated to prescribe. Nothing more nothing less.
    - Retric 2y ago
      > Doctors, did not .. The reason, the person who discovered it was a vet. You’re wildly incorrect, nobody involved was a vet. Barry Marshall shared that Nobel and is a Doctor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall Robin Warren received his M.B.B.S. an undergraduate degree focused on medical research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Warren https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Warren He worked at: “SA Pathology, (formerly the Institute of Medical and Veterinary Science (IMVS)), is an organisation providing diagnostic and clinical pathology services throughout South Australia for the public health sector.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA_Pathology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA_Pathology So whatever source you read that misinformation from is not trustworthy. > Opioids where addictive Hindsight bias here. We don’t want medical professionals to discard new information in favor of older treatments. There’s no way doctors can on their own replicate the medical research linking Ulcers with a bacterial infection and independently judge oxycodone’s effectiveness, and a dozen other drugs etc. Extended-release (ER) oxycodone was literally a new drug and described as not having the same issues associated with other Opioids on labeling approved by the FDA. The crazy thing is how effective this all was. Medical schools were teaching students to hand out more opioids.
      - beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
        Chinese emporers were controlling opiates all the way back in the 1700s and the British were tied up in war for 20 years over the wreckage to the Chinese addicts. The doctors, all college educated, some of our most studied and intelligent citizens, they knew about the history of opiates and im not talking about the dare campaign. I knew before the epidemic even got into force when I tossed the opiates I was prescribed in the trashcan. The oxy marketing was just the wink and the nod everybody needed to convince themselves to parrot with a straight face, but they didn't actually really believe it.
        Retric 2y ago
        This wasn’t just marketing, this was drug labeling approved by the FDA and new guidelines for pain management they where teaching in med schools.

by Retric 2y ago

zer00eyz 2y ago

> total amount prescribed opioids through time This... Dr were involved too! > long term pain management opioids suck Opioids suck. And the medical profession was complicit. For a class that is supposed to be professional and well informed most Dr's are, shockingly, not that bright.

Retric 2y ago
> Dr where involved too! The actions of individual Doctors acting on their own simply don’t explain trends. Doctors and the FDA etc were straight up lied to. I don’t think it’s reasonable to hold Doctors accountable for when some pharmaceutical company commits fraud. That doesn’t mean every doctor was blameless, but individual Doctors have always behaved poorly it was true before the opioid epidemic and it’s still true today.
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  > Doctors and the FDA etc were straight up lied to Oh please. Doctors, did not believe the preponderance of evidence that ulcers were caused by bacteria. The reason, the person who discovered it was a vet. They had to give the man a Nobel Prize to get Dr's to pry their heads out of their self aggrandizing asses and pay attention to reality. Opioids were addictive. They never stoped being that. Dr's were fiscally motivated to prescribe. Nothing more nothing less.
  - Retric 2y ago
    > Doctors, did not .. The reason, the person who discovered it was a vet. You’re wildly incorrect, nobody involved was a vet. Barry Marshall shared that Nobel and is a Doctor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall Robin Warren received his M.B.B.S. an undergraduate degree focused on medical research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Warren https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Warren He worked at: “SA Pathology, (formerly the Institute of Medical and Veterinary Science (IMVS)), is an organisation providing diagnostic and clinical pathology services throughout South Australia for the public health sector.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA_Pathology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA_Pathology So whatever source you read that misinformation from is not trustworthy. > Opioids where addictive Hindsight bias here. We don’t want medical professionals to discard new information in favor of older treatments. There’s no way doctors can on their own replicate the medical research linking Ulcers with a bacterial infection and independently judge oxycodone’s effectiveness, and a dozen other drugs etc. Extended-release (ER) oxycodone was literally a new drug and described as not having the same issues associated with other Opioids on labeling approved by the FDA. The crazy thing is how effective this all was. Medical schools were teaching students to hand out more opioids.
    - beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
      Chinese emporers were controlling opiates all the way back in the 1700s and the British were tied up in war for 20 years over the wreckage to the Chinese addicts. The doctors, all college educated, some of our most studied and intelligent citizens, they knew about the history of opiates and im not talking about the dare campaign. I knew before the epidemic even got into force when I tossed the opiates I was prescribed in the trashcan. The oxy marketing was just the wink and the nod everybody needed to convince themselves to parrot with a straight face, but they didn't actually really believe it.
      - Retric 2y ago
        This wasn’t just marketing, this was drug labeling approved by the FDA and new guidelines for pain management they where teaching in med schools.