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No one wins by some percentage of the population having to bake their own bread. If these facilities cannot keep unwanted visible particulates like sesame out
by marshray 2y ago
No one wins by some percentage of the population having to bake their own bread.
If these facilities cannot keep unwanted visible particulates like sesame out of their products, how can they keep dirt and bacteria out?
This regulation is not only good for people allergic to sesame, it's a brown M&M test. I see value in it.
- brookst 2y ago> how can they keep dirt and bacteria out? They can't. It's statistically impossible. Even operating theaters and clean rooms can't keep every trace bit of dirt or bacteria out. All anyone tries to do is reduce the incidence to below a meaningful threshold. If the requirement is: either eliminate every last molecule of every offending substance, or use a label that the offending substance may appear in trace amounts... well, everyone is going to opt for the label.
- marshray 2y agoI didn't say "every last molecule", I said "visible particulates". Nice attempt to straw-man though.
- stoperaticless 2y agoNot a straw man if you look at the spirit of the argument.
- marshray 2y agoYes, that's exactly what strawmanning is: "Ignore the stated argument, discuss my weaker mischaracterization of it instead."
- stoperaticless 2y agoHave you cooked anything? Have you never ever had a hair fall into a pot your mixing? (Even if you always wear a hat, and always clean it before hand, there is non zero chance) Spirit of that previous parent message was that “never ever contaminated” is not a realistic option. Yes op stretched that to molecules, but exactly same argument applies to seeds. I guess you forbid any kind of hyperbole in 50m radius.
- marshray 2y agoI have worked in food service and we were required to wear hats or hairnets specifically for that reason. If it had happened that some foreign material had fallen in the food, we would have considered it a big problem. In restaurants, little pieces from the metal pot scrubbing pads tend to be a constant problem. But this represents a cost choice: more expensive scrubbing solutions are available.
- throwaway173738 2y agoWhat happened to the idea we should take the most charitable interpretation of a post? I thought that was in the community guidelines here.
- ryandrake 2y ago> If these facilities cannot keep unwanted visible particulates like sesame out of their products, how can they keep dirt and bacteria out? They seemingly cant. There is a federally allowable amount of rat droppings allowed in food and it is non-zero!
- marshray 2y agoThen it should be on the label.
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- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y agoAlways ate buckwheat with mice droppings as a child. Yummy.
- JustBreath 2y agoKinda seems like you're arguing just to argue.
- marshray 2y agoUnlike your comment, I have a point.
- erik_seaberg 2y agoCross contamination includes stuff like fragments of sesame seeds stuck in a corner of a conveyor belt or air duct since yesterday's production run. I don't think cleanroom baked goods would be affordable.
- Ekaros 2y agoBacteria is not actually that big concern. These are cooked products, meaning that their temperature can reach 82-99C. So unless there is clear uncontrolled growth the cooked product is safe.
- kalleboo 2y ago> No one wins by some percentage of the population having to bake their own bread Doesn't the rest of the population win by being able to buy cheaper bread, at the cost of the affected?
- marshray 2y agoPersonally, I don't think bread made in a facility that can't control the ingredients is a 'win' at any price.
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