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> I blame the patient. We've known opiates were bad since at least the 1800s, and really longer than that. As a reminder, Oxy was heavily marketed, (to doctors

> I blame the patient. We've known opiates were bad since at least the 1800s, and really longer than that. As a reminder, Oxy was heavily marketed, (to doctors!) as a "not bad" opioid. As in, not as addictive, not as problematic, and something that can be prescribed more easily and with less worries. If a doctor comes up and tell you "don't worry about this one, it isn't addictive like the others", and you are in a ton of pain at the time, you are going to thank modern medicine for its new miracle pain drug and accept the prescription. > but this is taught in every highschool. And as another reminder, most schools, until recently, just taught that "drugs are bad" and kind of left it at that. They exaggerated some of the down sides, and didn't mention any of the positive experiences. IMHO South Park actually did the world's best anti pot ad - "Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorism, but… well, son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored. And it's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or being creative. If you smoke pot you may grow up to find out that you aren't good at anything." - And IMHO messages like that are more useful than what kids are being told. There is also the social contract side of things - Since around 1950s, if people worked hard they things in return from society: A stable job, a house, the opportunity to raise a family. That social contract is shot to shit, and so it should be no surprise that more and more people are choosing to drop out of society via drugs/games/apathy.

beaeglebeachedd 2y ago
You didn't learn about the opium wars? I'm not talking about dare which was obvious bullshit, I'm talking of learning from history. There was no weed war, that a drug caused a couple wars lasting decades should at least raise an eyebrow of any thinking person.
- com2kid 2y ago
  We didn't study the Opium Wars in history at all throughout my education, I learned about those on my own thanks to the Internet. The entire Middle East, our influence in South America, etc, none of that was covered in school, and I went to some pretty good public schools. (E.g. in High School we edited DNA of Bacteria) For that matter, I think China was only mentioned in passing throughout my entire education. WW1 was also only mentioned very briefly (maybe a couple weeks? Archduke is shot, shit goes down) and then we spent a fair bit of time on WW2, but less than we spent on Ancient Egypt honestly. (I think we spent an entire 2 or 3 months on Ancient Egypt). We spent a fair amount of time on the Reformation and Renaissance, ancient Greece and Rome, and US history was mostly a ~bullshit~ censored history of the founding of the US. The Washington State history classes went into some history of the local tribes, but failed to mention any of the fun details about how Seattle was founded (prostitution, drinking, Seattle literally poisoning the wells of nearby towns to force them to join Seattle to get access to clean water) College was better, mostly US history and World History, still nothing about the far east though. We did an excellent segment on the US Revolution in College, including the funding source behind the revolutionary war, that was very interesting. Edit: Sex ed was pretty comprehensive, and we ended the quarter by watching Rocky Horror Picture Show, so that was fun. (The Nerd and Goth kids formed a voting block for what movie to watch. :D) I am still surprised they talked about so much about forms of contraceptives that almost no one uses (spermicidal gels and foams), but at least they properly demonstrated how to use a condom, so that was good. For "don't smoke" the health teacher had lots of pictures of tumors. Alcohol wasn't really talked about, but honestly in the 90s we didn't know a much about how unhealthy it is as we do now. (Doctors knew it was bad, but just in the last few years research has come out showing that the safe amount of drinking is none)
- anigbrowl 2y ago
  I think this has more to do with the general lack of curiosity about the world beyond the US borders that prevails in most of American society. It's not as if US high schoolers get a comprehensive education in world history except for a few select omissions. I agree with you that this is something they ought to be aware of but I think you've kinda stretched the causality here.
  - com2kid 2y ago
    >I think this has more to do with the general lack of curiosity about the world beyond the US borders that prevails in most of American society. Just learning about all the countries the British messed up would take at least another 5 or 6 years on top of whatever schooling is already done. If you wanted to add everything America has done, well, people wouldn't be graduating high school until they are in their 30s. We did learn about the Anglo-Zulu War and the East India Company, but a decision has to be made on what list of British atrocities to include in a history curriculum.
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  What lesson should the opium wars have taught that's applicable to oxy prescription?
brobdingnag_pp 2y ago
Heroin was introduced as a cure to morphine addiction.

beaeglebeachedd 2y ago

You didn't learn about the opium wars? I'm not talking about dare which was obvious bullshit, I'm talking of learning from history. There was no weed war, that a drug caused a couple wars lasting decades should at least raise an eyebrow of any thinking person.

com2kid 2y ago
We didn't study the Opium Wars in history at all throughout my education, I learned about those on my own thanks to the Internet. The entire Middle East, our influence in South America, etc, none of that was covered in school, and I went to some pretty good public schools. (E.g. in High School we edited DNA of Bacteria) For that matter, I think China was only mentioned in passing throughout my entire education. WW1 was also only mentioned very briefly (maybe a couple weeks? Archduke is shot, shit goes down) and then we spent a fair bit of time on WW2, but less than we spent on Ancient Egypt honestly. (I think we spent an entire 2 or 3 months on Ancient Egypt). We spent a fair amount of time on the Reformation and Renaissance, ancient Greece and Rome, and US history was mostly a ~bullshit~ censored history of the founding of the US. The Washington State history classes went into some history of the local tribes, but failed to mention any of the fun details about how Seattle was founded (prostitution, drinking, Seattle literally poisoning the wells of nearby towns to force them to join Seattle to get access to clean water) College was better, mostly US history and World History, still nothing about the far east though. We did an excellent segment on the US Revolution in College, including the funding source behind the revolutionary war, that was very interesting. Edit: Sex ed was pretty comprehensive, and we ended the quarter by watching Rocky Horror Picture Show, so that was fun. (The Nerd and Goth kids formed a voting block for what movie to watch. :D) I am still surprised they talked about so much about forms of contraceptives that almost no one uses (spermicidal gels and foams), but at least they properly demonstrated how to use a condom, so that was good. For "don't smoke" the health teacher had lots of pictures of tumors. Alcohol wasn't really talked about, but honestly in the 90s we didn't know a much about how unhealthy it is as we do now. (Doctors knew it was bad, but just in the last few years research has come out showing that the safe amount of drinking is none)
anigbrowl 2y ago
I think this has more to do with the general lack of curiosity about the world beyond the US borders that prevails in most of American society. It's not as if US high schoolers get a comprehensive education in world history except for a few select omissions. I agree with you that this is something they ought to be aware of but I think you've kinda stretched the causality here.
- com2kid 2y ago
  >I think this has more to do with the general lack of curiosity about the world beyond the US borders that prevails in most of American society. Just learning about all the countries the British messed up would take at least another 5 or 6 years on top of whatever schooling is already done. If you wanted to add everything America has done, well, people wouldn't be graduating high school until they are in their 30s. We did learn about the Anglo-Zulu War and the East India Company, but a decision has to be made on what list of British atrocities to include in a history curriculum.
shadowgovt 2y ago
What lesson should the opium wars have taught that's applicable to oxy prescription?

brobdingnag_pp 2y ago

Heroin was introduced as a cure to morphine addiction.