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You couldn't write a more perfect allegory for what has already happened due to California's Proposition 65. The common denominator here is that the government

You couldn't write a more perfect allegory for what has already happened due to California's Proposition 65. The common denominator here is that the government gives companies new rules to follow, and enforces severe penalties for breaking them, and so the companies minimized their risk by following them to the extreme. It's almost like if you want a different outcome, the government agencies involved need to step up and do a more thoughtful job of architecting these policies in a way where the companies are forced to follow the "spirit" of them. I can't be mad if I create a policy, and someone follows it. My intention should have been in the policy, not just implied.

inferiorhuman 2y ago
The common denominator here is that the government gives companies new rules to follow, and enforces severe penalties for breaking them, and so the companies minimized their risk by following them to the extreme. Hardly. Prop 65 initially contained minimal guidance and essentially no teeth. So rather than identify problematic chemicals companies just slapped generic Prop 65 warnings on everything. architecting these policies in a way where the companies are forced to follow the "spirit" of them. Prop 65 was updated so that companies were required to put specifics on the warning label. The state even went so far as to start enforcing the requirements, and then… I can't be mad if I create a policy, and someone follows it. And then the state got sued because apparently labeling your products is simply more difficult than legal action.
- Molitor5901 2y ago
  Prop 65 DOES contain teeth, of the worst possible kind. It works by an attorney finding a product without a Prop 65 label. Then the law firm sends a demand to the state that the product have the Prop 65 label. If the state does not take action, then the law firm may take private action by suing the company to force them to have the label, and get all of their legal expenses paid for by the state. It's lead to an entire industry of attorneys suing just to get the attorneys fees.
  - inferiorhuman 2y ago
    Can't tell if you're serious or not. Private complaints must be reviewed by the local AHJ and include a certificate of merit. Folks being sued privately have 2 weeks to add labels. This is, of course, after waiting 2 months for the government to take action. Hardly the worst kind of teeth.

inferiorhuman 2y ago

The common denominator here is that the government gives companies new rules to follow, and enforces severe penalties for breaking them, and so the companies minimized their risk by following them to the extreme. Hardly. Prop 65 initially contained minimal guidance and essentially no teeth. So rather than identify problematic chemicals companies just slapped generic Prop 65 warnings on everything. architecting these policies in a way where the companies are forced to follow the "spirit" of them. Prop 65 was updated so that companies were required to put specifics on the warning label. The state even went so far as to start enforcing the requirements, and then… I can't be mad if I create a policy, and someone follows it. And then the state got sued because apparently labeling your products is simply more difficult than legal action.

Molitor5901 2y ago
Prop 65 DOES contain teeth, of the worst possible kind. It works by an attorney finding a product without a Prop 65 label. Then the law firm sends a demand to the state that the product have the Prop 65 label. If the state does not take action, then the law firm may take private action by suing the company to force them to have the label, and get all of their legal expenses paid for by the state. It's lead to an entire industry of attorneys suing just to get the attorneys fees.
- inferiorhuman 2y ago
  Can't tell if you're serious or not. Private complaints must be reviewed by the local AHJ and include a certificate of merit. Folks being sued privately have 2 weeks to add labels. This is, of course, after waiting 2 months for the government to take action. Hardly the worst kind of teeth.