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I don’t see what that has to do with this story, though. Starliner’s issues have nothing to do with the breakup of a satellite nor do the issues affect Starline

I don’t see what that has to do with this story, though. Starliner’s issues have nothing to do with the breakup of a satellite nor do the issues affect Starliner’s usage as a shelter. This article and headline just reek of the author grasping at straws to try and shoehorn Starliner into this story. The headline could’ve easily said “shelter in Soyuz” and nothing would’ve changed about the actual story at hand.

vondur 2y ago
I’m guessing that the fact they are still up at the ISS when they should have returned to Earth at this point.
- rootusrootus 2y ago
  They are there by choice. The parts of Starliner used in deorbiting are all functional. But the parts that leaked will get discarded and burn up themselves in the atmosphere, which prevents examining them. So the astronauts are hanging around to do that examination while they can.
krisoft 2y ago
> I don’t see what that has to do with this story, though. It is noteworthy because the safety/reliability of the Starliner was called into question. The fact that the two Starliner astronauts are still on the ISS means that NASA does not entirely trust the spacecraft. The fact that they sent them to shelter in it is noteworthy because it means that they trust it enough to be used in an emergency. If they would have asked Butch and Suni to shelter instead in the dragon or the soyuz that would have been a serious egg on the face of Boeing. > nor do the issues affect Starliner’s usage as a shelter Okay. I think i understand what you might be thinking. Please correct me if I am wrong. It sounds like you think the shelter functions because it is thick and that shields the astronauts. If you have that mental model that would explain why you think that the issues with Starliner does not affect its usage as a shelter. After all the problems with the trusters does not change the spacecraft’s wall thickness. But this is not the correct mental model. The spacecraft is not sheltering them with its thickness. If they get unlucky orbital debris will cut through Starliner like a hot knife through butter. The real reason they shelter in the spacecraft is that they can use it to land if the station gets hit and they have to abandon it. So the correct mental model is that of a rescue boat, not a debris shield. And if you are thinking that way it is easy to see how the trusters being less than perfectly reliable hampers the usage of the spacecraft as a shelter (as a rescue boat). It just happens to be that the relative danger posed by the truster problems is smaller (in NASA’s estimate) than the relative danger posed by trying to ride the other spacecrafts down without a seat for the extra astronauts.
- abadpoli 2y ago
  No, that isn’t the case at all. The issues with Starliner do not affect its ability to return to earth or function as an “escape pod” if that were necessary. There’s no safety issue or concern at all with using Starliner as a return craft. The issues with Starliner, as has been mentioned many times over the last few weeks, are to do with other parts of Starliner that don’t affect its return (it’s literally the thrusters that aren’t even part of Starliner that _will_ return).
  - krisoft 2y ago
    > it’s literally the thrusters that aren’t even part of Starliner that _will_ return That is cool. How will they deorbit if the thrusters shut down on them? Will they break Fred Flintstones style?
    - martyvis 2y ago
      There are something like 28 thrusters on Starliner - only 5 have had issues.

vondur 2y ago

I’m guessing that the fact they are still up at the ISS when they should have returned to Earth at this point.

rootusrootus 2y ago
They are there by choice. The parts of Starliner used in deorbiting are all functional. But the parts that leaked will get discarded and burn up themselves in the atmosphere, which prevents examining them. So the astronauts are hanging around to do that examination while they can.

krisoft 2y ago

> I don’t see what that has to do with this story, though. It is noteworthy because the safety/reliability of the Starliner was called into question. The fact that the two Starliner astronauts are still on the ISS means that NASA does not entirely trust the spacecraft. The fact that they sent them to shelter in it is noteworthy because it means that they trust it enough to be used in an emergency. If they would have asked Butch and Suni to shelter instead in the dragon or the soyuz that would have been a serious egg on the face of Boeing. > nor do the issues affect Starliner’s usage as a shelter Okay. I think i understand what you might be thinking. Please correct me if I am wrong. It sounds like you think the shelter functions because it is thick and that shields the astronauts. If you have that mental model that would explain why you think that the issues with Starliner does not affect its usage as a shelter. After all the problems with the trusters does not change the spacecraft’s wall thickness. But this is not the correct mental model. The spacecraft is not sheltering them with its thickness. If they get unlucky orbital debris will cut through Starliner like a hot knife through butter. The real reason they shelter in the spacecraft is that they can use it to land if the station gets hit and they have to abandon it. So the correct mental model is that of a rescue boat, not a debris shield. And if you are thinking that way it is easy to see how the trusters being less than perfectly reliable hampers the usage of the spacecraft as a shelter (as a rescue boat). It just happens to be that the relative danger posed by the truster problems is smaller (in NASA’s estimate) than the relative danger posed by trying to ride the other spacecrafts down without a seat for the extra astronauts.

abadpoli 2y ago
No, that isn’t the case at all. The issues with Starliner do not affect its ability to return to earth or function as an “escape pod” if that were necessary. There’s no safety issue or concern at all with using Starliner as a return craft. The issues with Starliner, as has been mentioned many times over the last few weeks, are to do with other parts of Starliner that don’t affect its return (it’s literally the thrusters that aren’t even part of Starliner that _will_ return).
- krisoft 2y ago
  > it’s literally the thrusters that aren’t even part of Starliner that _will_ return That is cool. How will they deorbit if the thrusters shut down on them? Will they break Fred Flintstones style?
  - martyvis 2y ago
    There are something like 28 thrusters on Starliner - only 5 have had issues.