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> penalizing the secular tech entrepreneurs During the divestment against South African apartheid, anyone was a fair target. And yes Israel has been labeled a

> penalizing the secular tech entrepreneurs During the divestment against South African apartheid, anyone was a fair target. And yes Israel has been labeled an apartheid state by all the major human rights groups, including Amensty, HRW, and Israel's own Btselem. Linking the 3 reports below, in case you are interested in reading. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-... https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra... https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is...

thephyber 2y ago
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- thephyber 2y ago
  FYI, I have a lot of issues with Israel’s policies. I just don’t pretend like a smallish group of people boycotting all private industry in a country that does the vast majority of their policy right is a targeted approach. If you want to BSD, do it to the US religion/non-profits that fund the settlement expansion in Israel. That would be a far more targeted, but it’s probably equally unlikely to succeed.
thephyber 2y ago
I also noticed you missed the most important thing about the GP comment of my reply: he misread which whether the relevant company was on the unethical side of the equation and seemed willing to divest without any skepticism or curiosity.
- ChemiSpan 2y ago
  It's true though, AU10TIX is connected to Israeli intelligence which seems to be a reason why X switched to Stripe. I think the confusion was whether it was Stripe or AU10TIX. > AU10TIX is a subsidiary of ICTs International, a company established by former members of the Shin Bet and El Al airline security agents. Ron Atzmon, the founder of AU10TIX, spent his military service with the Shin Bet's notorious unit 8200. Which also produced the infamous Israeli Pegasus spyware used by repressive regimes like Saudi Arabia to spy on citizens. https://www.mintpressnews.com/identity-verification-or-data-exposure-twitter-using-israeli-tech-firm-headed-by-ex-military-officials-to-verify-users/286156/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/identity-verification-or-data-...
  - thephyber 2y ago
    I’m not debating AU10TIX. Let’s both assume what you say is true. The comment I initially replied to was spring-loaded and ready to punish Stripe (and potentially X) because they thought Stripe was the unethical participant in Israel’s policies, not AU10TIX. And additionally, my preference is that we don’t boycott unless there is a very direct line of participation. Are we all boycotting all of the startups that received investment from In-Q-Tel? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel#Investments https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel#Investments At some point, the proximity of participation moves from complicit to 6 Degrees of Bacon. Boycotting in the latter is To Cur off Your Nose Despite Your Face.
zozo-whywhy 2y ago
Thank you! Great post & resources! I, and the ethical intelligent people I know, encourage all divestment from Israeli companies.

thephyber 2y ago

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thephyber 2y ago
FYI, I have a lot of issues with Israel’s policies. I just don’t pretend like a smallish group of people boycotting all private industry in a country that does the vast majority of their policy right is a targeted approach. If you want to BSD, do it to the US religion/non-profits that fund the settlement expansion in Israel. That would be a far more targeted, but it’s probably equally unlikely to succeed.

thephyber 2y ago

I also noticed you missed the most important thing about the GP comment of my reply: he misread which whether the relevant company was on the unethical side of the equation and seemed willing to divest without any skepticism or curiosity.

ChemiSpan 2y ago
It's true though, AU10TIX is connected to Israeli intelligence which seems to be a reason why X switched to Stripe. I think the confusion was whether it was Stripe or AU10TIX. > AU10TIX is a subsidiary of ICTs International, a company established by former members of the Shin Bet and El Al airline security agents. Ron Atzmon, the founder of AU10TIX, spent his military service with the Shin Bet's notorious unit 8200. Which also produced the infamous Israeli Pegasus spyware used by repressive regimes like Saudi Arabia to spy on citizens. https://www.mintpressnews.com/identity-verification-or-data-exposure-twitter-using-israeli-tech-firm-headed-by-ex-military-officials-to-verify-users/286156/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/identity-verification-or-data-...
- thephyber 2y ago
  I’m not debating AU10TIX. Let’s both assume what you say is true. The comment I initially replied to was spring-loaded and ready to punish Stripe (and potentially X) because they thought Stripe was the unethical participant in Israel’s policies, not AU10TIX. And additionally, my preference is that we don’t boycott unless there is a very direct line of participation. Are we all boycotting all of the startups that received investment from In-Q-Tel? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel#Investments https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel#Investments At some point, the proximity of participation moves from complicit to 6 Degrees of Bacon. Boycotting in the latter is To Cur off Your Nose Despite Your Face.

zozo-whywhy 2y ago

Thank you! Great post & resources! I, and the ethical intelligent people I know, encourage all divestment from Israeli companies.