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Didn't X switch to Stripe already? There was a huge uproar over people protesting Palestine being concerned about having their ID (with home address), biometric

Didn't X switch to Stripe already? There was a huge uproar over people protesting Palestine being concerned about having their ID (with home address), biometrics (which they admitted to collecting), and other info to a company with such direct ties to Israel. I don't know about this company specifically, but I know it's common for the government to essentially act as an incubator for tech companies, so the concerns probably weren't unwarranted. I guess even with the switch, some people probably verified prior so it likely has some impact on X still -- and maybe this is actually what moved the needle internally, since the users were calling it out as a concern for quite some time. I had no clue uber and tiktok used them though, so that's good to know - thankfully I haven't given them my biometrics as of yet.

octopoc 2y ago
Oh wow didn’t know that stripe has Israeli ties. Thanks for the heads up—I’ll try to shop around for a more ethical alternative. May not be able to though—launch is imminent!
- astroid 2y ago
  To clarify, Stripe does not - Au10tix does, which they moved away from. Stripe is Headquartered in US / and I believe Ireland - not Israel. Sorry for the confusion.
- thephyber 2y ago
  So you commented without verifying the fact was true? And it turns out it isn’t. Slow down. Don’t trust vague statements that don’t cite sources. Look for the nuance in the situation. Be curious and try to learn, don’t just follow the crowd. Also, it’s fucking weird to me to assume that all Israeli private businesses are unethical. Sure, there’s probably some. Sure, their tax dollars are fungible with the government actions you consider unethical. But aren’t you penalizing the secular tech entrepreneurs of Israel by divesting from anything related to the country? These are the same demographic that spent every weekend for most of 2023 protesting their own government’s attempt to become more subservient to the Netanyahu coalition.
  - ChemiSpan 2y ago
    > penalizing the secular tech entrepreneurs During the divestment against South African apartheid, anyone was a fair target. And yes Israel has been labeled an apartheid state by all the major human rights groups, including Amensty, HRW, and Israel's own Btselem. Linking the 3 reports below, in case you are interested in reading. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-... https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra... https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is...
    - thephyber 2y ago
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      - thephyber 2y ago
        FYI, I have a lot of issues with Israel’s policies. I just don’t pretend like a smallish group of people boycotting all private industry in a country that does the vast majority of their policy right is a targeted approach. If you want to BSD, do it to the US religion/non-profits that fund the settlement expansion in Israel. That would be a far more targeted, but it’s probably equally unlikely to succeed.
    - thephyber 2y ago
      I also noticed you missed the most important thing about the GP comment of my reply: he misread which whether the relevant company was on the unethical side of the equation and seemed willing to divest without any skepticism or curiosity.
      - ChemiSpan 2y ago
        It's true though, AU10TIX is connected to Israeli intelligence which seems to be a reason why X switched to Stripe. I think the confusion was whether it was Stripe or AU10TIX. > AU10TIX is a subsidiary of ICTs International, a company established by former members of the Shin Bet and El Al airline security agents. Ron Atzmon, the founder of AU10TIX, spent his military service with the Shin Bet's notorious unit 8200. Which also produced the infamous Israeli Pegasus spyware used by repressive regimes like Saudi Arabia to spy on citizens. https://www.mintpressnews.com/identity-verification-or-data-exposure-twitter-using-israeli-tech-firm-headed-by-ex-military-officials-to-verify-users/286156/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/identity-verification-or-data-...
- ganeshkrishnan 2y ago
  >Oh wow didn’t know that stripe has Israeli ties. you misunderstood OP. He meant the previous authenticator for X was autotix which was Israeli and then they switched to Stripe which is NOT.
- zozo-whywhy 2y ago
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octopoc 2y ago

Oh wow didn’t know that stripe has Israeli ties. Thanks for the heads up—I’ll try to shop around for a more ethical alternative. May not be able to though—launch is imminent!

astroid 2y ago
To clarify, Stripe does not - Au10tix does, which they moved away from. Stripe is Headquartered in US / and I believe Ireland - not Israel. Sorry for the confusion.
thephyber 2y ago
So you commented without verifying the fact was true? And it turns out it isn’t. Slow down. Don’t trust vague statements that don’t cite sources. Look for the nuance in the situation. Be curious and try to learn, don’t just follow the crowd. Also, it’s fucking weird to me to assume that all Israeli private businesses are unethical. Sure, there’s probably some. Sure, their tax dollars are fungible with the government actions you consider unethical. But aren’t you penalizing the secular tech entrepreneurs of Israel by divesting from anything related to the country? These are the same demographic that spent every weekend for most of 2023 protesting their own government’s attempt to become more subservient to the Netanyahu coalition.
- ChemiSpan 2y ago
  > penalizing the secular tech entrepreneurs During the divestment against South African apartheid, anyone was a fair target. And yes Israel has been labeled an apartheid state by all the major human rights groups, including Amensty, HRW, and Israel's own Btselem. Linking the 3 reports below, in case you are interested in reading. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-... https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra... https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is...
  - thephyber 2y ago
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    - thephyber 2y ago
      FYI, I have a lot of issues with Israel’s policies. I just don’t pretend like a smallish group of people boycotting all private industry in a country that does the vast majority of their policy right is a targeted approach. If you want to BSD, do it to the US religion/non-profits that fund the settlement expansion in Israel. That would be a far more targeted, but it’s probably equally unlikely to succeed.
  - thephyber 2y ago
    I also noticed you missed the most important thing about the GP comment of my reply: he misread which whether the relevant company was on the unethical side of the equation and seemed willing to divest without any skepticism or curiosity.
    - ChemiSpan 2y ago
      It's true though, AU10TIX is connected to Israeli intelligence which seems to be a reason why X switched to Stripe. I think the confusion was whether it was Stripe or AU10TIX. > AU10TIX is a subsidiary of ICTs International, a company established by former members of the Shin Bet and El Al airline security agents. Ron Atzmon, the founder of AU10TIX, spent his military service with the Shin Bet's notorious unit 8200. Which also produced the infamous Israeli Pegasus spyware used by repressive regimes like Saudi Arabia to spy on citizens. https://www.mintpressnews.com/identity-verification-or-data-exposure-twitter-using-israeli-tech-firm-headed-by-ex-military-officials-to-verify-users/286156/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/identity-verification-or-data-...
ganeshkrishnan 2y ago
>Oh wow didn’t know that stripe has Israeli ties. you misunderstood OP. He meant the previous authenticator for X was autotix which was Israeli and then they switched to Stripe which is NOT.
zozo-whywhy 2y ago
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