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Because Israeli intelligence freely and brazenly spies on civilians from allied countries, maybe https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/29/

Because Israeli intelligence freely and brazenly spies on civilians from allied countries, maybe https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/29/international-criminal-court-israel-spying-intimidation https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/2... I certainly wouldn't trust a startup with IDF/Mossad connections with my data.

pbiggar 2y ago
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- racional 2y ago
  Citation needed. Otherwise, it's a smear. Again: 100 percent, you said.
  - kevingadd 2y ago
    I'm assuming the logic is 'Israel has mandatory conscription, so every citizen has IDF ties', which feels like a bit of a stretch even if it's technically true.
    - jedimind 2y ago
      It's not a stretch at all - especially when Israelis love to brag about it, but when called out on it, they deny at all costs. The mandatory military service, which you mentioned, where most israeli citizens serve in the IDF, will naturally lead to connections between tech and the military. There is also technology transfer i.e military technologies may be adapted for civilian use by startups e.g. Cybersecurity, AI, that's why the israeli military funds even civilian startups especially when they are "Dual-use technologies" i.e. technologies that have both military and civilian applications It's also common sense to not trust startups in a nation where genocidal[0] sentiment has prevailed. So you can see many israeli "civilian" businesses[1][2] assist & whitewash the genocidal onslaught willingly & enthusiastically. [0] https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-israels-war-gaza-exposed-zionism-genocidal-cult https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-israels-war-gaza-e... [1] https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/10/28/wix-addressing-internal-messages-on-israel-hamas-conflict/ https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/10/28/wix-addressin... [2] https://www.wix.com/app-market/stand-with-israel https://www.wix.com/app-market/stand-with-israel
Alupis 2y ago
Oh how quickly we've forgotten the Snowden Leaks. They all spy on each other's citizens. When it's not possible to do it directly, they will use covert means a la NSA slurping up data via transit lines, etc. It being an Israeli startup makes your data no less safe from spying eyes than doing business with a UK startup or any other allied nation.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Because Israeli intelligence freely and brazenly spies on civilians from allied countries Everyone spies on everyone. Does Israel have a law like China's which mandates coöperation? It was my understanding they have a forcefully independent judiciary.
- chimeracoder 2y ago
  > It was my understanding they have a forcefully independent judiciary. That may have been true ten or fifteen years ago, but is extremely not true today.
  - Alupis 2y ago
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    - chimeracoder 2y ago
      > Is there evidence of this other than "Israel Bad"? ...yes? From the content of your comment, it seems you're not not up to date on the development of Israel's internal government structure and balance of separation of powers, which has changed a lot over the last five years. But from the tone of your comment, it also sounds like you're going for a snarky dismissal rather than a good faith discussion, so I'm not sure talking about this further is going to do much good.
      - Alupis 2y ago
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        chimeracoder 2y ago
        > There was an attempt at "reform" that was crushed by their supreme court, because that's how their government works. That's actually not the whole story, but regardless, judging by the tone of your responses here and your recent comment history, I don't think any discussion here on this topic is going to be fruitful.

pbiggar 2y ago

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racional 2y ago
Citation needed. Otherwise, it's a smear. Again: 100 percent, you said.
- kevingadd 2y ago
  I'm assuming the logic is 'Israel has mandatory conscription, so every citizen has IDF ties', which feels like a bit of a stretch even if it's technically true.
  - jedimind 2y ago
    It's not a stretch at all - especially when Israelis love to brag about it, but when called out on it, they deny at all costs. The mandatory military service, which you mentioned, where most israeli citizens serve in the IDF, will naturally lead to connections between tech and the military. There is also technology transfer i.e military technologies may be adapted for civilian use by startups e.g. Cybersecurity, AI, that's why the israeli military funds even civilian startups especially when they are "Dual-use technologies" i.e. technologies that have both military and civilian applications It's also common sense to not trust startups in a nation where genocidal[0] sentiment has prevailed. So you can see many israeli "civilian" businesses[1][2] assist & whitewash the genocidal onslaught willingly & enthusiastically. [0] https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-israels-war-gaza-exposed-zionism-genocidal-cult https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-israels-war-gaza-e... [1] https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/10/28/wix-addressing-internal-messages-on-israel-hamas-conflict/ https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/10/28/wix-addressin... [2] https://www.wix.com/app-market/stand-with-israel https://www.wix.com/app-market/stand-with-israel

Alupis 2y ago

Oh how quickly we've forgotten the Snowden Leaks. They all spy on each other's citizens. When it's not possible to do it directly, they will use covert means a la NSA slurping up data via transit lines, etc. It being an Israeli startup makes your data no less safe from spying eyes than doing business with a UK startup or any other allied nation.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Because Israeli intelligence freely and brazenly spies on civilians from allied countries Everyone spies on everyone. Does Israel have a law like China's which mandates coöperation? It was my understanding they have a forcefully independent judiciary.

chimeracoder 2y ago
> It was my understanding they have a forcefully independent judiciary. That may have been true ten or fifteen years ago, but is extremely not true today.
- Alupis 2y ago
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  - chimeracoder 2y ago
    > Is there evidence of this other than "Israel Bad"? ...yes? From the content of your comment, it seems you're not not up to date on the development of Israel's internal government structure and balance of separation of powers, which has changed a lot over the last five years. But from the tone of your comment, it also sounds like you're going for a snarky dismissal rather than a good faith discussion, so I'm not sure talking about this further is going to do much good.
    - Alupis 2y ago
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      - chimeracoder 2y ago
        > There was an attempt at "reform" that was crushed by their supreme court, because that's how their government works. That's actually not the whole story, but regardless, judging by the tone of your responses here and your recent comment history, I don't think any discussion here on this topic is going to be fruitful.