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>I edited my first comment to clarify and nothing else You edited "No, words have meanings" to "No, words have specific meanings that should accurately reflect

>I edited my first comment to clarify and nothing else You edited "No, words have meanings" to "No, words have specific meanings that should accurately reflect the nuances of the situation at hand." You also edited "So?" (single word) to 'So? "Force to trust" like op wrote made absolutely no sense.' >for me it still stands as long as you have agency over yourself nobody can force you to do anything. It can and often does mean that though. Here's a list of 170,000 books using the phrase "forced to trust" https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22forced+to+trust%22 https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22forced+to+trust%2...

BoredPositron 2y ago
Both edits are for clarity and don't change the meaning of the comments... and both edits are not in our comment chain. You seem to have another agenda here and I really won't entertain it anymore. We have different views of what force means. One is rather clear and the other one is nitpicking to get an agenda across. Nobody forced anyone to get vaccinated and nobody forced anyone to blindly trust medical professionals. There are billions of people who didn't get vaccinated. You might want it to be but it's not the reality we live in. Reality is what doesn't change if you stop believing in it.
- Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
  >both edits are not in our comment chain The first edit I mentioned is in this comment chain and the second one was in response to my post in a different chain. >Nobody forced anyone to get vaccinated Really? This is trivially false. For example vaccination was extensively mandated in several countries by law, for example some provinces in China.[0] In the US certain states require proof of vaccination for certain activities. For example in New York vaccination is required to go to school.[1] Perhaps you meant "not all people were forced to get vaccinated?" That is not being debated here. In any case I never even made an argument about this point until now. And in any case I don't feel too strongly about whether "force" is the right word to describe vaccine mandates. My only points were that if your boss tells you you'll lose your job if you don't have sex with him he has forced you to quit (assuming you cannot get him fired, for example if you have no proof he said that and will continue harassing you) and secondly that "forced to trust" is not complete nonsense. >You seem to have another agenda here You're the one that tried to say that a boss extorting sex isn't considered forcing you to quit your job in order to maintain your position. My point was actually fairly clear and not even about vaccination. >One is rather clear and the other one is nitpicking to get an agenda across. I would agree except you're not even nitpicking you're just claiming that whatever you decide "force" means is the one that OP must hold by as opposed to "throwing dictionaries" at the problem. [0] https://doi.org/10.2147/RMHP.S336434 https://doi.org/10.2147/RMHP.S336434 [1] https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/schools/school_vaccines/ https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/schools/sc...
  - BoredPositron 2y ago
    If your boss sexually harasses or extorts you, you take legal action immediately, you don't quit. China? Really? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I won't delve into the possibility that you might have experienced inconvenience had you not been vaccinated. It appears that you're primarily concerned with your own interests and failed to grasp the broader implications during the COVID-19 pandemic, a perspective you seem to maintain even now. The choice was yours*. *Except if you were residing under totalitarian regimes. Where they might actually forced you to get vaccinated. There's a commonly understood definition of "force" among the general population, which you and op are attempting to distort by cherry-picking definitions from various dictionaries, often focusing on the less common usages found at the bottom of these entries. (If you go back and think about your china argument you might just understand this.) As I previously stated, engaging in further discussion with you is unlikely to yield any meaningful results. bye.
    - Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
      >If your boss sexually harasses or extorts you, you take legal action immediately, you don't quit. It's a hypothetical. >China? Really? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You mentioned billions of people. So your argument was clearly not limited to the US. Or you just didn't make the point well. >which you and op are attempting to distort by cherry-picking definitions from various dictionaries, often focusing on the less common usages found at the bottom of these entries. One of the dictionaries is an ESL dictionary. It gives words as they are used and it gives the usage I quoted as the first definition.[0] The reason that the usage in the other dictionaries have the usages I quoted at the bottom is becasue they all give the noun form of "force" first. [0] https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/force_2 https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/ame... (force_2 being the verb form as opposed to the noun.)

BoredPositron 2y ago

Both edits are for clarity and don't change the meaning of the comments... and both edits are not in our comment chain. You seem to have another agenda here and I really won't entertain it anymore. We have different views of what force means. One is rather clear and the other one is nitpicking to get an agenda across. Nobody forced anyone to get vaccinated and nobody forced anyone to blindly trust medical professionals. There are billions of people who didn't get vaccinated. You might want it to be but it's not the reality we live in. Reality is what doesn't change if you stop believing in it.

Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
>both edits are not in our comment chain The first edit I mentioned is in this comment chain and the second one was in response to my post in a different chain. >Nobody forced anyone to get vaccinated Really? This is trivially false. For example vaccination was extensively mandated in several countries by law, for example some provinces in China.[0] In the US certain states require proof of vaccination for certain activities. For example in New York vaccination is required to go to school.[1] Perhaps you meant "not all people were forced to get vaccinated?" That is not being debated here. In any case I never even made an argument about this point until now. And in any case I don't feel too strongly about whether "force" is the right word to describe vaccine mandates. My only points were that if your boss tells you you'll lose your job if you don't have sex with him he has forced you to quit (assuming you cannot get him fired, for example if you have no proof he said that and will continue harassing you) and secondly that "forced to trust" is not complete nonsense. >You seem to have another agenda here You're the one that tried to say that a boss extorting sex isn't considered forcing you to quit your job in order to maintain your position. My point was actually fairly clear and not even about vaccination. >One is rather clear and the other one is nitpicking to get an agenda across. I would agree except you're not even nitpicking you're just claiming that whatever you decide "force" means is the one that OP must hold by as opposed to "throwing dictionaries" at the problem. [0] https://doi.org/10.2147/RMHP.S336434 https://doi.org/10.2147/RMHP.S336434 [1] https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/schools/school_vaccines/ https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/schools/sc...
- BoredPositron 2y ago
  If your boss sexually harasses or extorts you, you take legal action immediately, you don't quit. China? Really? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I won't delve into the possibility that you might have experienced inconvenience had you not been vaccinated. It appears that you're primarily concerned with your own interests and failed to grasp the broader implications during the COVID-19 pandemic, a perspective you seem to maintain even now. The choice was yours*. *Except if you were residing under totalitarian regimes. Where they might actually forced you to get vaccinated. There's a commonly understood definition of "force" among the general population, which you and op are attempting to distort by cherry-picking definitions from various dictionaries, often focusing on the less common usages found at the bottom of these entries. (If you go back and think about your china argument you might just understand this.) As I previously stated, engaging in further discussion with you is unlikely to yield any meaningful results. bye.
  - Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
    >If your boss sexually harasses or extorts you, you take legal action immediately, you don't quit. It's a hypothetical. >China? Really? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You mentioned billions of people. So your argument was clearly not limited to the US. Or you just didn't make the point well. >which you and op are attempting to distort by cherry-picking definitions from various dictionaries, often focusing on the less common usages found at the bottom of these entries. One of the dictionaries is an ESL dictionary. It gives words as they are used and it gives the usage I quoted as the first definition.[0] The reason that the usage in the other dictionaries have the usages I quoted at the bottom is becasue they all give the noun form of "force" first. [0] https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/force_2 https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/ame... (force_2 being the verb form as opposed to the noun.)