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The two posts make the most sense together, yeah. I was involved in this work (happy to answer any questions). Overall we started from a large slowdown compare

by azakai 2y ago

The two posts make the most sense together, yeah. I was involved in this work (happy to answer any questions). Overall we started from a large slowdown compared to JS, worked hard, and ended up with a large speedup over JS of around 2x. So right now it is a big improvement over JS. That improvement required work across the codebase, the toolchain, and the VM. Most of it is not specific to Java and also helps other WasmGC projects too (like Dart and Kotlin). We are also working on further improvements right now that should make things even faster.

tomrod 2y ago
Well done on the accomplishment -- no small feat to improve runtime 50% in a mature codebase. I'm interested more in learning how to work within wasmgc. Do you have any resources you'd point to for someone looking to pick it up?
- azakai 2y ago
  This post might help: https://v8.dev/blog/wasm-gc-porting https://v8.dev/blog/wasm-gc-porting See in particular the "getting started" section near the end: https://v8.dev/blog/wasm-gc-porting#getting-started https://v8.dev/blog/wasm-gc-porting#getting-started At a lower level the overview in the WasmGC github repo is very good: https://github.com/WebAssembly/gc/blob/main/proposals/gc/Overview.md https://github.com/WebAssembly/gc/blob/main/proposals/gc/Ove...
lukan 2y ago
Oh, you were involved as well. Well then, no wonder things worked out! (I remember you from your work with asm and emscripten and the various ports you did, which I played around with) No specific question(right now), I just want to say, I admire your work.
- azakai 2y ago
  Oh, thanks! Yeah, I was involved here on the toolchain side. We did a lot of work on the Binaryen optimizer for WasmGC.
vfclists 2y ago
You must be Alon Zakai, one of the original developers of Web Assembly, if not THE original developer of Web Assembly?
- azakai 2y ago
  That's my name, yeah, but I'm just one of the people involved in WebAssembly's creation.
  - vfclists 2y ago
    Don't be soooo modest :)
lewisjoe 2y ago
Great work Alon! Yet another case of impressive engineering. I have a couple of questions: 1. How is the landscape of wasmGC browser support? Given it's relatively new is it OK to use this and ship production apps now? How does sheets handle older/unsupported browsers? 2. In Google IO the Workspace team mentioned they'd leverage Kotlin Multiplatform to achieve use cases like this. I see Sheet's using the in-house J2CL compiler but is there cases where KMM is used to target WASM - in sheets or docs? What are your thoughts?
- azakai 2y ago
  For current support, see https://webassembly.org/features/ https://webassembly.org/features/ Chrome (and other Chromium-based browsers) and Firefox have had WasmGC enabled for a few releases now. But Safari doesn't yet last I heard. Sheets can serve a JS version to browsers without WasmGC, since they can compile the same code to either JS or Wasm. About Kotlin, I know they have a working WasmGC toolchain that works very well, so personally I think it is a good option in general. But I don't know offhand about current users or plans.

by azakai 2y ago

tomrod 2y ago

Well done on the accomplishment -- no small feat to improve runtime 50% in a mature codebase. I'm interested more in learning how to work within wasmgc. Do you have any resources you'd point to for someone looking to pick it up?

azakai 2y ago
This post might help: https://v8.dev/blog/wasm-gc-porting https://v8.dev/blog/wasm-gc-porting See in particular the "getting started" section near the end: https://v8.dev/blog/wasm-gc-porting#getting-started https://v8.dev/blog/wasm-gc-porting#getting-started At a lower level the overview in the WasmGC github repo is very good: https://github.com/WebAssembly/gc/blob/main/proposals/gc/Overview.md https://github.com/WebAssembly/gc/blob/main/proposals/gc/Ove...

lukan 2y ago

Oh, you were involved as well. Well then, no wonder things worked out! (I remember you from your work with asm and emscripten and the various ports you did, which I played around with) No specific question(right now), I just want to say, I admire your work.

azakai 2y ago
Oh, thanks! Yeah, I was involved here on the toolchain side. We did a lot of work on the Binaryen optimizer for WasmGC.

vfclists 2y ago

You must be Alon Zakai, one of the original developers of Web Assembly, if not THE original developer of Web Assembly?

azakai 2y ago
That's my name, yeah, but I'm just one of the people involved in WebAssembly's creation.
- vfclists 2y ago
  Don't be soooo modest :)

lewisjoe 2y ago

Great work Alon! Yet another case of impressive engineering. I have a couple of questions: 1. How is the landscape of wasmGC browser support? Given it's relatively new is it OK to use this and ship production apps now? How does sheets handle older/unsupported browsers? 2. In Google IO the Workspace team mentioned they'd leverage Kotlin Multiplatform to achieve use cases like this. I see Sheet's using the in-house J2CL compiler but is there cases where KMM is used to target WASM - in sheets or docs? What are your thoughts?

azakai 2y ago
For current support, see https://webassembly.org/features/ https://webassembly.org/features/ Chrome (and other Chromium-based browsers) and Firefox have had WasmGC enabled for a few releases now. But Safari doesn't yet last I heard. Sheets can serve a JS version to browsers without WasmGC, since they can compile the same code to either JS or Wasm. About Kotlin, I know they have a working WasmGC toolchain that works very well, so personally I think it is a good option in general. But I don't know offhand about current users or plans.