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I am usually the first person to steer away from taking moral standpoints, but I don't support the culture of lithium mining, making children work just so I can

by h4ch1 2y ago

I am usually the first person to steer away from taking moral standpoints, but I don't support the culture of lithium mining, making children work just so I can have a shiny new car/phone/laptop whose battery will inevitably die in a couple of years effectively becoming junk that's thrown in a landfill. China's near defacto monopoly on lithium batteries is also very concerning. Unfortunately we cannot eliminate it from our lives due to its' ubiquity and cost, but I'd rather not buy an electric car that supports this industry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9jscWk2DMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9jscWk2DMg is a good watch on this topic.

newyankee 2y ago
What kind of mining do you support ?
lghh 2y ago
The obvious foil to the lithium industry is the fossil fuel industry. Lithium mining isn't inherently bad, it's only bad in the case where children are being forced to work in the mines. Fossil fuels is an inherent negative due to its outsized environmental impact. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
standyro 2y ago
A few things: - I've had an electric car for 5 years now. My car has been significantly less maintenance than any I've owned. How is that throwing it away in a landfill? If you're concerned about waste, think about the amount of C02 emitted by a single gas car during the 100,000 miles I've driven it already. - The US and Canada already has a nascent lithium mining and exploration industry, a few sites of which are already open or scheduled to soon, such as in Thacker Pass, Nevada or in Quebec. It's not our fault that a huge portion of the US government continues to ignore how valuable rare earth mining is to the next century ~ (Add other things like nuclear to the list too)
adolph 2y ago
While the Model 3 may contain more lithium given larger batteries (but might not given different chemistry), the 2025 Camry is only offered as a hybrid (in the US) and also has lithium ion batteries. https://www.toyota.com/camry/features/mpg_other_price/2555/2556/2561 https://www.toyota.com/camry/features/mpg_other_price/2555/2...

by h4ch1 2y ago

newyankee 2y ago

What kind of mining do you support ?

lghh 2y ago

The obvious foil to the lithium industry is the fossil fuel industry. Lithium mining isn't inherently bad, it's only bad in the case where children are being forced to work in the mines. Fossil fuels is an inherent negative due to its outsized environmental impact. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

standyro 2y ago

A few things: - I've had an electric car for 5 years now. My car has been significantly less maintenance than any I've owned. How is that throwing it away in a landfill? If you're concerned about waste, think about the amount of C02 emitted by a single gas car during the 100,000 miles I've driven it already. - The US and Canada already has a nascent lithium mining and exploration industry, a few sites of which are already open or scheduled to soon, such as in Thacker Pass, Nevada or in Quebec. It's not our fault that a huge portion of the US government continues to ignore how valuable rare earth mining is to the next century ~ (Add other things like nuclear to the list too)

adolph 2y ago

While the Model 3 may contain more lithium given larger batteries (but might not given different chemistry), the 2025 Camry is only offered as a hybrid (in the US) and also has lithium ion batteries. https://www.toyota.com/camry/features/mpg_other_price/2555/2556/2561 https://www.toyota.com/camry/features/mpg_other_price/2555/2...