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Force? Edit: "Force to trust"? Because everyone answering didn't read ops comment.

logicchains 2y ago
If your boss tells you you'll lose your job if you don't have sex with him, and you quit to avoid that, would you disagree with the statement that you were forced to quit?
- BoredPositron 2y ago
  No, words have specific meanings that should accurately reflect the nuances of the situation at hand.
  - Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
    Force: >violence, compulsion, or constraint exerted upon or against a person or thing[0] Compell: >1. to drive or urge forcefully or irresistibly >2. to cause to do or occur by overwhelming pressure[1] [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/force https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/force [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/compel https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/compel
    - BoredPositron 2y ago
      So? "Force to trust" like op wrote made absolutely no sense.
  - binary132 2y ago
    the choice to have sex with someone or be fired is not a legitimate choice and framing it as one is also illegitimate. do you have a better suggestion for a term you would prefer?
    - BoredPositron 2y ago
      It is choice. That's the whole point of the discussion you might not like the choice you would have to take but it still is. If you want to convey that you get extorted do so but use the right words.
      - Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
        Force does not mean "no choice." >to make something happen or make someone do something difficult, unpleasant, or unusual, especially by threatening or not offering the possibility of choice[0] (notice or here) >If someone forces you to do something, they make you do it even though you do not want to, for example, by threatening you.[1] >to make someone do something that they do not want to do >I was forced to take a taxi because the last bus had left.[2] [0] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/force https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/force [1] https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/force https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/forc... [2] https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/force_2 https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/ame...
        BoredPositron 2y ago
        Yeah, still nobody can "force you to trust" anything. They might force you to comply with something but they can't force you to trust. That's just nonsense.
        Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
        I didn't commend on that. I commented on you replying "no" to the question "If your boss tells you you'll lose your job if you don't have sex with him, and you quit to avoid that, would you disagree with the statement that you were forced to quit?" after which you edited all your previous comments. The first of which originally just read "force?" (a single word) which leads me to believe, along with your original response to the point I initially commented on, that you didn't have that point in mind. Also, "tust" in "force people to trust the medical industry" clearly means something along the lines of "to commit or place in one's care or keeping."[0] But that point is irrelevant because you made up that point after my initial response. [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trust https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trust
roenxi 2y ago
Eg, https://www.abc.net.au/religion/human-rights-and-mandatory-covid-19-vaccinations/13577278 https://www.abc.net.au/religion/human-rights-and-mandatory-c... Or pick your favourite country; policies requiring arbitrary vaccination were quite common.
- BoredPositron 2y ago
  Words have specific meanings that should accurately reflect the nuances of the situation at hand. You can write your comment without emotional exasperation or maybe not...
  - roenxi 2y ago
    Words do indeed have specific meanings. If someone didn't get vaccinated then the government would start basically attacking basic human rights. In particular rights of freedom work, assemble, free travel, freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to practice a religion, etc (and to maintain their own health I might add) which turn up in some pretty hefty documents like the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Once those things are bargaining chips that you get to have for following a government policy, the policy is forced. This might make you uncomfortable. Indeed, it probably should. Freedom means you don't have to trust hastily developed medical products. They can't have done any long term studies on the COVID vaccines yet because not enough time has passed for one to happen yet.
    - BoredPositron 2y ago
      You wrote "force to trust". That's highly different from what you are writing now.
      - roenxi 2y ago
        If someone doesn't trust the vaccine providers they shouldn't be forced to take it. You could have figured that out by analysing the specific meanings that the words have. That position on the topic of vaccines is neither rare nor subtle. And the sentence still looks fine to me, I don't know why you think that phrase isn't kosher.

If your boss tells you you'll lose your job if you don't have sex with him, and you quit to avoid that, would you disagree with the statement that you were forced to quit?

BoredPositron 2y ago
No, words have specific meanings that should accurately reflect the nuances of the situation at hand.
- Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
  Force: >violence, compulsion, or constraint exerted upon or against a person or thing[0] Compell: >1. to drive or urge forcefully or irresistibly >2. to cause to do or occur by overwhelming pressure[1] [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/force https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/force [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/compel https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/compel
  - BoredPositron 2y ago
    So? "Force to trust" like op wrote made absolutely no sense.
- binary132 2y ago
  the choice to have sex with someone or be fired is not a legitimate choice and framing it as one is also illegitimate. do you have a better suggestion for a term you would prefer?
  - BoredPositron 2y ago
    It is choice. That's the whole point of the discussion you might not like the choice you would have to take but it still is. If you want to convey that you get extorted do so but use the right words.
    - Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
      Force does not mean "no choice." >to make something happen or make someone do something difficult, unpleasant, or unusual, especially by threatening or not offering the possibility of choice[0] (notice or here) >If someone forces you to do something, they make you do it even though you do not want to, for example, by threatening you.[1] >to make someone do something that they do not want to do >I was forced to take a taxi because the last bus had left.[2] [0] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/force https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/force [1] https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/force https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/forc... [2] https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/force_2 https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/ame...
      - BoredPositron 2y ago
        Yeah, still nobody can "force you to trust" anything. They might force you to comply with something but they can't force you to trust. That's just nonsense.
        Vt71fcAqt7 2y ago
        I didn't commend on that. I commented on you replying "no" to the question "If your boss tells you you'll lose your job if you don't have sex with him, and you quit to avoid that, would you disagree with the statement that you were forced to quit?" after which you edited all your previous comments. The first of which originally just read "force?" (a single word) which leads me to believe, along with your original response to the point I initially commented on, that you didn't have that point in mind. Also, "tust" in "force people to trust the medical industry" clearly means something along the lines of "to commit or place in one's care or keeping."[0] But that point is irrelevant because you made up that point after my initial response. [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trust https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trust

roenxi 2y ago

Eg, https://www.abc.net.au/religion/human-rights-and-mandatory-covid-19-vaccinations/13577278 https://www.abc.net.au/religion/human-rights-and-mandatory-c... Or pick your favourite country; policies requiring arbitrary vaccination were quite common.

BoredPositron 2y ago
Words have specific meanings that should accurately reflect the nuances of the situation at hand. You can write your comment without emotional exasperation or maybe not...
- roenxi 2y ago
  Words do indeed have specific meanings. If someone didn't get vaccinated then the government would start basically attacking basic human rights. In particular rights of freedom work, assemble, free travel, freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to practice a religion, etc (and to maintain their own health I might add) which turn up in some pretty hefty documents like the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Once those things are bargaining chips that you get to have for following a government policy, the policy is forced. This might make you uncomfortable. Indeed, it probably should. Freedom means you don't have to trust hastily developed medical products. They can't have done any long term studies on the COVID vaccines yet because not enough time has passed for one to happen yet.
  - BoredPositron 2y ago
    You wrote "force to trust". That's highly different from what you are writing now.
    - roenxi 2y ago
      If someone doesn't trust the vaccine providers they shouldn't be forced to take it. You could have figured that out by analysing the specific meanings that the words have. That position on the topic of vaccines is neither rare nor subtle. And the sentence still looks fine to me, I don't know why you think that phrase isn't kosher.