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If you don't know what a term means, why the fuck are you using it? http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-nation-state.htm http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-nation

If you don't know what a term means, why the fuck are you using it? http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-nation-state.htm http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-nation-state.htm You people are fucking ignorant.

Symmetry 14y ago
The author of that is wrong to conflate nationality and ethnicity. A nationality is a much more general concept. Because most people in the US would list "American" as their primary group identity, and because the people who don't aren't off in their own geographical areas, the US is more of a nation state than it is anything else. Now, you shouldn't throw around the term nation state unless you deliberately mean to exclude, say, Kenya or the old USSR - but that's a different matter. EDIT: Or compare the US and the EU. The typical New Yorker regards people in Florida as the same sort of person as them, so the permanent fiscal transfers from New York to Florida don't spark the sort of outrage in the US that permanent transfers from Germany to Greece do.
- fnulp 14y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state notice how a.) it's not even desirable to be a nation state, so untwist your knickers everybody: "The most obvious impact of the nation state, as compared to its non-national predecessors, is the creation of a uniform national culture, through state policy. The model of the nation state implies that its population constitutes a nation, united by a common descent, a common language and many forms of shared culture. When the implied unity was absent, the nation state often tried to create it. It promoted a uniform national language, through language policy. The creation of national systems of compulsory primary education and a relatively uniform curriculum in secondary schools, was the most effective instrument in the spread of the national languages. The schools also taught the national history, often in a propagandistic and mythologised version, and (especially during conflicts) some nation states still teach this kind of history.[10] Language and cultural policy was sometimes negative, aimed at the suppression of non-national elements. Language prohibitions were sometimes used to accelerate the adoption of national languages and the decline of minority languages (see Germanisation)." Sure, when America was by and for white upper class males, it was a nation state, or something. Good for you, can we move to today now? The clincher is the list of examples of nation states on that page. Read it. Notice how the USA isn't on the list. So you can blah blah blah all you want, the downvoted poster is correct, the rest is not. What a surprise ^^
zbuc 14y ago
Uncited articles on "wisegeek.com" -- a good place to learn the definitions of words and terms.

Symmetry 14y ago

The author of that is wrong to conflate nationality and ethnicity. A nationality is a much more general concept. Because most people in the US would list "American" as their primary group identity, and because the people who don't aren't off in their own geographical areas, the US is more of a nation state than it is anything else. Now, you shouldn't throw around the term nation state unless you deliberately mean to exclude, say, Kenya or the old USSR - but that's a different matter. EDIT: Or compare the US and the EU. The typical New Yorker regards people in Florida as the same sort of person as them, so the permanent fiscal transfers from New York to Florida don't spark the sort of outrage in the US that permanent transfers from Germany to Greece do.

fnulp 14y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state notice how a.) it's not even desirable to be a nation state, so untwist your knickers everybody: "The most obvious impact of the nation state, as compared to its non-national predecessors, is the creation of a uniform national culture, through state policy. The model of the nation state implies that its population constitutes a nation, united by a common descent, a common language and many forms of shared culture. When the implied unity was absent, the nation state often tried to create it. It promoted a uniform national language, through language policy. The creation of national systems of compulsory primary education and a relatively uniform curriculum in secondary schools, was the most effective instrument in the spread of the national languages. The schools also taught the national history, often in a propagandistic and mythologised version, and (especially during conflicts) some nation states still teach this kind of history.[10] Language and cultural policy was sometimes negative, aimed at the suppression of non-national elements. Language prohibitions were sometimes used to accelerate the adoption of national languages and the decline of minority languages (see Germanisation)." Sure, when America was by and for white upper class males, it was a nation state, or something. Good for you, can we move to today now? The clincher is the list of examples of nation states on that page. Read it. Notice how the USA isn't on the list. So you can blah blah blah all you want, the downvoted poster is correct, the rest is not. What a surprise ^^

zbuc 14y ago

Uncited articles on "wisegeek.com" -- a good place to learn the definitions of words and terms.