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This is a failure at the city contracting level. Incompetence or corruption or both.

WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
> This is a failure at the city contracting level. Incompetence or corruption or both. Solely? Editing out the contractor's actions seems to leave an incomplete picture. edit: I suggest there is a fault with society, when society gives a pass to a business operating unethically - simply because it leveraged (or purchased, fed/state) loopholes that allow it to do so.
- quesera 2y ago
  Contractor fulfilled obligation. City contracting office failed to specify the requirements correctly. In particular the curing schedule/temperature. If this was a homeowner getting a driveway paved, it would be one thing. But a city needs to employ people who know how to write contracts. If they do not, and bad contracts are legally fulfilled, then yes I'd argue that it's entirely the city's fault. And the contractor's unethical exploitation, of course. But that's contracts. To your edit: I agree, and it sucks! But this is not a novel problem, and people in this business know how to get their desired results. I would argue that this kind of error does not happen accidentally.
  - ajsnigrutin 2y ago
    I'm pretty sure a homeowner would want his driveway repaved much faster than that, and done properly You either must really not care about the job, or be corrupt (and get some under-the-table money) to sign something like this. Somehow in the private sector people complain, and once it comes to someone high up, heads fall until it's solved... but not in the public sector.
jcranmer 2y ago
Ironically, there's a decent chance that they were required to pick an incompetent contractor by regulation. Many places in the US have requirements that public agencies go with the lowest bidder without permitting them to consider things like "is this contractor capable of performing the work" or "has this contractor screwed us over in the past," generally because discretionary choice is seen as a vehicle for corruption.
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- xboxnolifes 2y ago
  While sometimes true, it doesn't explain the 9 month windows they gave the project.

> This is a failure at the city contracting level. Incompetence or corruption or both. Solely? Editing out the contractor's actions seems to leave an incomplete picture. edit: I suggest there is a fault with society, when society gives a pass to a business operating unethically - simply because it leveraged (or purchased, fed/state) loopholes that allow it to do so.

quesera 2y ago
Contractor fulfilled obligation. City contracting office failed to specify the requirements correctly. In particular the curing schedule/temperature. If this was a homeowner getting a driveway paved, it would be one thing. But a city needs to employ people who know how to write contracts. If they do not, and bad contracts are legally fulfilled, then yes I'd argue that it's entirely the city's fault. And the contractor's unethical exploitation, of course. But that's contracts. To your edit: I agree, and it sucks! But this is not a novel problem, and people in this business know how to get their desired results. I would argue that this kind of error does not happen accidentally.
- ajsnigrutin 2y ago
  I'm pretty sure a homeowner would want his driveway repaved much faster than that, and done properly You either must really not care about the job, or be corrupt (and get some under-the-table money) to sign something like this. Somehow in the private sector people complain, and once it comes to someone high up, heads fall until it's solved... but not in the public sector.

jcranmer 2y ago

Ironically, there's a decent chance that they were required to pick an incompetent contractor by regulation. Many places in the US have requirements that public agencies go with the lowest bidder without permitting them to consider things like "is this contractor capable of performing the work" or "has this contractor screwed us over in the past," generally because discretionary choice is seen as a vehicle for corruption.

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xboxnolifes 2y ago
While sometimes true, it doesn't explain the 9 month windows they gave the project.