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> Therefore some think it exceeded the NSA's authority, which is nil in Germany. This is very false though. NSA absolutely has at least SOME authority to spy o

> Therefore some think it exceeded the NSA's authority, which is nil in Germany. This is very false though. NSA absolutely has at least SOME authority to spy on Germany. Not just by American law but also Germany has provided the NSA with office space for up to 1,800 NSA employees to work in the town of Bad Aibling. Over the past two decades, the BND has helped the NSA spy on a variety of European targets, including German ones. https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-german-bnd-and-american-nsa-cooperate-more-closely-than-thought-a-975445.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-german-bnd-... > not following a countries law on their soil does not make it fair game, it makes it an illegal act. This makes no sense. That would mean any country, including Russia and North Korea, could make the NSA’s routine, intended activites “illegal” simply by passing a law saying “its illegal to spy on us”. What then? Every form of spying by any country is suddenly illegal?

mistermann 2y ago
> This makes no sense. That would mean any country, including Russia and North Korea, could make the NSA’s routine, intended activites “illegal” simply by passing a law saying “its illegal to spy on us”. What then? Permanent global disharmony, mass delusion, misallocation of resources, unnecessary suffering, etc? Actually, I suspect (our) nature would find a way anyways regardless of this one relatively trivial rule. The pursuit of suboptimal outcomes is hardwired into our culture, we demand it.
ktallett 2y ago
It has never been proven they legally have authority to spy on German citizens. That goes against Germany's constitution and is another case of a government acting illegally by turning a blind eye to the acts of the NSA and ignoring the rights of their citizens. Spying in some settings is absolutely illegal, no matter the country you are spying on, whether it be North Korea, Russia, or Fiji. It goes against their Sovereignity. Some forms outside of war is always illegal, satelite imagery, cyber hacking... etc. If the US would prosecute it such as the 7 hackers from China they indicted, then the other country rightfully can prosecute in American spys.

mistermann 2y ago

> This makes no sense. That would mean any country, including Russia and North Korea, could make the NSA’s routine, intended activites “illegal” simply by passing a law saying “its illegal to spy on us”. What then? Permanent global disharmony, mass delusion, misallocation of resources, unnecessary suffering, etc? Actually, I suspect (our) nature would find a way anyways regardless of this one relatively trivial rule. The pursuit of suboptimal outcomes is hardwired into our culture, we demand it.

ktallett 2y ago

It has never been proven they legally have authority to spy on German citizens. That goes against Germany's constitution and is another case of a government acting illegally by turning a blind eye to the acts of the NSA and ignoring the rights of their citizens. Spying in some settings is absolutely illegal, no matter the country you are spying on, whether it be North Korea, Russia, or Fiji. It goes against their Sovereignity. Some forms outside of war is always illegal, satelite imagery, cyber hacking... etc. If the US would prosecute it such as the 7 hackers from China they indicted, then the other country rightfully can prosecute in American spys.