> Saying Snowden compromised foreign spying efforts is disingenious I’d argue this heavily depends on scope and context of discussion. For what you’re talking

> Saying Snowden compromised foreign spying efforts is disingenious I’d argue this heavily depends on scope and context of discussion. For what you’re talking about, it’s a reasonable take. But for things like spying on foreign leaders and ANT Catalog and Tailored Access Operations — there’s not really much domestic angle there, so those elements wouldn’t be disingenuous to represent as “compromising foreign spying efforts”. There’s certainly a concern that TAO techniques could be turned inwards, but what we know about it suggests that its been consistently outward-focused for the past 25 years. > What he revealed is that intelligence agencies are acting in bad faith and they completely trample on the civil liberties and freedoms they are supposed to protect. I agree with this. I just also think his disclosures went beyond this and that discussions about Snowden are incomplete if we limit ourselves to acknowledging only acknowledge the disclosures which include a domestic angle. > Perhaps the most damning thing Snowden revealed is how this excuse is used for domestic spying…(etc) I agree that this type of “i spy on your citizens, you spy on mine” information-sharing became much more widely known due to Snowden but I knew about Five Eyes/ECHELON back when I was in middle school before 9/11 or the PATRIOT act. The ACLU had this from year 2000: https://web.archive.org/web/20000711031525/http://www.aclu.org/echelonwatch/faq.html https://web.archive.org/web/20000711031525/http://www.aclu.o... “Illegal” domestic spying via Five Eyes was published in books at least as early as 1998 - https://books.google.com/books/about/Live_by_the_Sword.html?id=7Q87Rrxyh9wC https://books.google.com/books/about/Live_by_the_Sword.html?... The biggest difference pre/post Snowden wasnt so much the knowledge that these illegal things were happening — but that in less than a year, people’s responses to me talking about the known realities of domestic surveillance switched from “okay Mr. crazy person” to “well yeah, duh”.