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Anybody else a bit scared for how this tech will impact people? It seems quite far reaching. Job loss from video production and film. Ease of spreading misinfor

Anybody else a bit scared for how this tech will impact people? It seems quite far reaching. Job loss from video production and film. Ease of spreading misinformation, lies and propaganda. I could even see less investment in physical infrastructure as real world experiences get replaced by generated video. Scary stuff.

martin_a 2y ago
If you want to look at it from a brighter side, I think it's great that this tech exists and people know about it in large and how easy it is to fabricate false information with this. If I was very optimistic, I'd hope that people would question more what they see and hear and read to due to widespread of "Gen AI tools". In reality that will most likely not happen, but yeah, one can hope. And on job loss: Jobs come and go, nobody cared much about carriage drivers when cars took off...
- eagerpace 2y ago
  Exactly this. What if we can now produce 100x video content and anyone can do it? YouTube didn’t kill TV shows just because anyone could make a video or stream live.
- tetris11 2y ago
  Yeah but the people reskilled into other demanding jobs that still needed people. With AI, the demand for that skillset is diminishing as is the need for people at all. We're heading towards a Solaria situation, where the rich genuinely might no longer need to employ the masses, or sell them products. What would you do if you had a magic box that met all your needs? Pay a consultant? Hire a gardener? Call a maid? Request an escort? Why.
  - LorenzoBloedow 2y ago
    AI is not and most likely will not be a "magic box that meets all your needs" in at least 1000 years unless something insane happens, AI does function approximation, when you scale it up it can do amazing things but you still need human creativity, you still need engineers because it can only output data not act on real-world stuff, you still need data that is generated by humans, you still need to train every model for your specific task, and tasks are infinite. If we wanted to replace humans we'd have to fully figure out how the human brain works first, for now no one knows how the human brain truly works so how can we claim AI will replace all humans? In my opinion, AGI is just an acronym pushed by people who have something to gain from mass hysteria, FOMO, and making people feel like "the end is near", AKA, AI influencers and founders who want investors to give them money. Of course, this doesn't mean everyone who believes in AGI is one of the two, most were probably just fed this narrative and it sounded believable so they just went with it. These are my two cents, sorry for the wall of text :P, but I just had to say something about what I perceive as an "AI bubble" that generates mass panic for most in order to benefit a few
    - tetris11 2y ago
      Many of the day-to-day tasks that keeps people regularly employed are not creative tasks, but repetitive and predictable.
      - LorenzoBloedow 2y ago
        Sure, repetitive tasks may get replaced in the short time depending on the complexity, but, the way I see it, there will always be a human need, new jobs of higher complexity and creativity will be created, and maybe there will be less jobs overall, but predictable jobs being replaced always happen with new advances in technology, whether that's a good thing or not :)
        tetris11 2y ago
        > always be a human need In what quantity though? In Willy Wonka, when Charlie's dad got laid off at the toothbrush factory and was later rehired as the sole toothbrush automation inspector, what happened to his colleagues? Bigger and better things? Unlikely, unless their kids also suddenly inherited chocolate factories. It's a decimation of the workforce, and we're still climbing the population curve.
  - andsoitis 2y ago
    > What would you do if you had a magic box that met all your needs? Pay a consultant? Hire a gardener? Call a maid? Request an escort? Why. Because that magic box is… magic, fantasy.
tambourine_man 2y ago
Terrified.
wegfawefgawefg 2y ago
A hammer can be used to hit nails or bash skulls. There are billions of hammers.
- pylua 2y ago
  This is more like a magic wand in terms of its effectiveness . I think that’s the difference.
  - majewsky 2y ago
    Since we were talking about hammers, a more apt comparison might be a nail gun. Vastly more efficient than hammering nails by hand when constructing e.g. a roof truss, but you still need carpenters.
- hurrdurr57 2y ago
  Hammers don't kill people, people kill people ... with hammers

martin_a 2y ago

If you want to look at it from a brighter side, I think it's great that this tech exists and people know about it in large and how easy it is to fabricate false information with this. If I was very optimistic, I'd hope that people would question more what they see and hear and read to due to widespread of "Gen AI tools". In reality that will most likely not happen, but yeah, one can hope. And on job loss: Jobs come and go, nobody cared much about carriage drivers when cars took off...

eagerpace 2y ago
Exactly this. What if we can now produce 100x video content and anyone can do it? YouTube didn’t kill TV shows just because anyone could make a video or stream live.
tetris11 2y ago
Yeah but the people reskilled into other demanding jobs that still needed people. With AI, the demand for that skillset is diminishing as is the need for people at all. We're heading towards a Solaria situation, where the rich genuinely might no longer need to employ the masses, or sell them products. What would you do if you had a magic box that met all your needs? Pay a consultant? Hire a gardener? Call a maid? Request an escort? Why.
- LorenzoBloedow 2y ago
  AI is not and most likely will not be a "magic box that meets all your needs" in at least 1000 years unless something insane happens, AI does function approximation, when you scale it up it can do amazing things but you still need human creativity, you still need engineers because it can only output data not act on real-world stuff, you still need data that is generated by humans, you still need to train every model for your specific task, and tasks are infinite. If we wanted to replace humans we'd have to fully figure out how the human brain works first, for now no one knows how the human brain truly works so how can we claim AI will replace all humans? In my opinion, AGI is just an acronym pushed by people who have something to gain from mass hysteria, FOMO, and making people feel like "the end is near", AKA, AI influencers and founders who want investors to give them money. Of course, this doesn't mean everyone who believes in AGI is one of the two, most were probably just fed this narrative and it sounded believable so they just went with it. These are my two cents, sorry for the wall of text :P, but I just had to say something about what I perceive as an "AI bubble" that generates mass panic for most in order to benefit a few
  - tetris11 2y ago
    Many of the day-to-day tasks that keeps people regularly employed are not creative tasks, but repetitive and predictable.
    - LorenzoBloedow 2y ago
      Sure, repetitive tasks may get replaced in the short time depending on the complexity, but, the way I see it, there will always be a human need, new jobs of higher complexity and creativity will be created, and maybe there will be less jobs overall, but predictable jobs being replaced always happen with new advances in technology, whether that's a good thing or not :)
      - tetris11 2y ago
        > always be a human need In what quantity though? In Willy Wonka, when Charlie's dad got laid off at the toothbrush factory and was later rehired as the sole toothbrush automation inspector, what happened to his colleagues? Bigger and better things? Unlikely, unless their kids also suddenly inherited chocolate factories. It's a decimation of the workforce, and we're still climbing the population curve.
- andsoitis 2y ago
  > What would you do if you had a magic box that met all your needs? Pay a consultant? Hire a gardener? Call a maid? Request an escort? Why. Because that magic box is… magic, fantasy.

tambourine_man 2y ago

Terrified.

wegfawefgawefg 2y ago

A hammer can be used to hit nails or bash skulls. There are billions of hammers.

pylua 2y ago
This is more like a magic wand in terms of its effectiveness . I think that’s the difference.
- majewsky 2y ago
  Since we were talking about hammers, a more apt comparison might be a nail gun. Vastly more efficient than hammering nails by hand when constructing e.g. a roof truss, but you still need carpenters.
hurrdurr57 2y ago
Hammers don't kill people, people kill people ... with hammers