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I'm pretty open to doing something like this broadly, but I think this is especially important for software. Things like video games are much harder to archive

I'm pretty open to doing something like this broadly, but I think this is especially important for software. Things like video games are much harder to archive than text. Keeping them running 70 years after the death of the author is already a herculean task. Doing that, when no copies are being distributed could make that entirely impossible. The current copyright system is going to rob the public domain of many of the cultural treasures that we are entitled to.

theturtletalks 2y ago
Why can't the videos be downloaded and uploaded to the Internet Archive? There's a lot of copyrighted videos there already.
- beej71 2y ago
  While this is a great idea, it's generally illegal for IA to share that content. And it's looking increasingly unlikely IA will be in existence 90 years from now, so it's unclear there'd be a point in them simply archiving it. If copyright were 14 years, if give IA a lot more of a chance of still being around then. And apparently the videos are no longer available to download, so it's not an option, anyway. Barring some change of heart by the copyright holder, these episodes are gone forever.
  - theturtletalks 2y ago
    I think down below, they are saying the episodes aren't gone, just paywalled behind Paramount+ now.
    - dgoldstein0 2y ago
      Iiuc only some of them are now on Paramount Plus.
    - rsanek 2y ago
      third paragraph of the linked article > Unfortunately for those in search of older episodes of The Daily Show and The Colbert Report, neither can be found on Paramount+.
  - nine_k 2y ago
    Aren't there some "data hoarder" fans who have them downloaded just in case, and could upload to IA or even torrent?
    - beej71 2y ago
      One can hope. I hoard my own interests (this wasn't one of them) but don't distribute it. Good luck seeing any of it ever. A lot of it would be out of copyright with a 24-year term.
mcmcmc 2y ago
What makes you think you’re entitled to other people’s work?
- rcMgD2BwE72F 2y ago
  What make you think the authors of these works (the workers, not the owners) would oppose this proposal?
- wolfendin 2y ago
  It’s copyright. Not authorright. The exclusive ability to copy is granted as a conceit. The restriction only came about because publishers got mad.
  - pyuser583 2y ago
    It came about because archives wanted a de jure monopoly on top of their de facto monopoly. US copyright law took a very different path though.
  - kube-system 2y ago
    > The Congress shall have Power…To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. Sounds like Author's Rights to me.
- Jare 2y ago
  Once it becomes a cultural artifact it becomes more than just "someone's work". The goal of legislation is / should be to figure out how to balance the different and competing needs into a system that works reasonably well.
- rendaw 2y ago
  I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I do think there's something like a "right to ideas". Like you can't tell someone to just forget about something, things people experience become a part of them and I think it's reasonable to expect they should be able to share that with others. I mean, after life + 70 years you already are entitled to other people's work. And a purpose of patents was to get people to release ideas so culture as a whole can grow from them, rather than just keeping them as trade secrets or whatever. I absolutely think people should be able to receive some money for it, maybe even for life + 70 years, and people can always not release things, but I think once it's released it's not just yours any more, as it lives in the public conscious.

theturtletalks 2y ago

Why can't the videos be downloaded and uploaded to the Internet Archive? There's a lot of copyrighted videos there already.

beej71 2y ago
While this is a great idea, it's generally illegal for IA to share that content. And it's looking increasingly unlikely IA will be in existence 90 years from now, so it's unclear there'd be a point in them simply archiving it. If copyright were 14 years, if give IA a lot more of a chance of still being around then. And apparently the videos are no longer available to download, so it's not an option, anyway. Barring some change of heart by the copyright holder, these episodes are gone forever.
- theturtletalks 2y ago
  I think down below, they are saying the episodes aren't gone, just paywalled behind Paramount+ now.
  - dgoldstein0 2y ago
    Iiuc only some of them are now on Paramount Plus.
  - rsanek 2y ago
    third paragraph of the linked article > Unfortunately for those in search of older episodes of The Daily Show and The Colbert Report, neither can be found on Paramount+.
- nine_k 2y ago
  Aren't there some "data hoarder" fans who have them downloaded just in case, and could upload to IA or even torrent?
  - beej71 2y ago
    One can hope. I hoard my own interests (this wasn't one of them) but don't distribute it. Good luck seeing any of it ever. A lot of it would be out of copyright with a 24-year term.

mcmcmc 2y ago

What makes you think you’re entitled to other people’s work?

rcMgD2BwE72F 2y ago
What make you think the authors of these works (the workers, not the owners) would oppose this proposal?
wolfendin 2y ago
It’s copyright. Not authorright. The exclusive ability to copy is granted as a conceit. The restriction only came about because publishers got mad.
- pyuser583 2y ago
  It came about because archives wanted a de jure monopoly on top of their de facto monopoly. US copyright law took a very different path though.
- kube-system 2y ago
  > The Congress shall have Power…To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. Sounds like Author's Rights to me.
Jare 2y ago
Once it becomes a cultural artifact it becomes more than just "someone's work". The goal of legislation is / should be to figure out how to balance the different and competing needs into a system that works reasonably well.
rendaw 2y ago
I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I do think there's something like a "right to ideas". Like you can't tell someone to just forget about something, things people experience become a part of them and I think it's reasonable to expect they should be able to share that with others. I mean, after life + 70 years you already are entitled to other people's work. And a purpose of patents was to get people to release ideas so culture as a whole can grow from them, rather than just keeping them as trade secrets or whatever. I absolutely think people should be able to receive some money for it, maybe even for life + 70 years, and people can always not release things, but I think once it's released it's not just yours any more, as it lives in the public conscious.