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I use Firefox... still.

by geofffox 2y ago

sa-code 2y ago
Likely a lot of people on HN use Firefox
panja 2y ago
I hate that everyone just develops for chromium only
- darren_ 2y ago
  This site works fine in safari/mobile safari, it is not ‘chromium only’
  - hawski 2y ago
    WebKit and its derivatives then.
    - mcny 2y ago
      I tried it with FIrefox 127 (production) and it worked just fine for me even though there is a huge banner on the top.
- RockRobotRock 2y ago
  Mozilla refuses to implement some really cool standards. https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/ https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/ That, and their shitty management shakes my faith in Firefox
  - the8472 2y ago
    They're not necessarily standards. I clicked on the first negative one and it said draft. One browser vendor proposing things other vendor NAKing it makes it a vendor-specific feature. Like IE had its own features.
    - RockRobotRock 2y ago
      Yeah but we’re trying to fight against browser engine superiority, aren’t we? I hate using chrome, but I’m forced to with any application that uses we busb/web serial or Bluetooth.
      - the8472 2y ago
        But that's basically complaining that firefox doesn't just blindly adopt whatever google proposes. A lot of the concerns are about security and privacy, the thing that mozilla is praised for doing better than google. And no, you're not forced to use google. You can make native applications when it's necessary to use privileged interfaces.
        RockRobotRock 2y ago
        That's a fair argument, but IMO Mozilla is dogmatic to a point it'll be detrimental to them long-term.
  - Bluestein 2y ago
    A shame. They used to be the free (freedom) option.-
  - 93po 2y ago
    You prefer the management of Chromium, which makes billions a year from invading your privacy and force feeding you advertising, while also ruining the internet ecosystem?
    - RockRobotRock 2y ago
      Yes, me lightly criticizing Mozilla means that I endorse Google. Fuck off
4mitkumar 2y ago
Do not go by the warning message. It does work just fine on Firefox latest. Cool, demo, btw!
makeitmore 2y ago
Hi, I built the client UI for this and... yea, I really wanted to get Firefox working :( We needed a way to measure voice-to-voice latency from the end-user's perspective, and found Silero voice activity detection (https://github.com/snakers4/silero-vad https://github.com/snakers4/silero-vad) to be the most reliable at detecting when the user has stopped speaking, so we can start the timer (and stop it again when audio is received from the bot.) Silero runs via onnx-runtime (with wasm). Whilst it sort-of-kinda works in Firefox, the VAD seems to misfire more than it should, causing the latency numbers to be somewhat absurd. I really want to get it working though! I'm still trying. The code for the UI VAD is here: https://github.com/pipecat-ai/web-client-ui/tree/main/src/vad https://github.com/pipecat-ai/web-client-ui/tree/main/src/va...
- stavros 2y ago
  Do you know why there's a difference in the performance of the algorithm in another browser? I would expect that all browsers run the code exactly the same way.
chungus 2y ago
It is working perfectly for me on Firefox (version 127).
- makeitmore 2y ago
  Thanks for sharing. I did make some changes that seems to have improved things, although I do still see the occasional misfire. Perhaps good enough to remove that ugly red banner though!

I use Firefox... still.

sa-code 2y ago

Likely a lot of people on HN use Firefox

panja 2y ago

I hate that everyone just develops for chromium only

darren_ 2y ago
This site works fine in safari/mobile safari, it is not ‘chromium only’
- hawski 2y ago
  WebKit and its derivatives then.
  - mcny 2y ago
    I tried it with FIrefox 127 (production) and it worked just fine for me even though there is a huge banner on the top.
RockRobotRock 2y ago
Mozilla refuses to implement some really cool standards. https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/ https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/ That, and their shitty management shakes my faith in Firefox
- the8472 2y ago
  They're not necessarily standards. I clicked on the first negative one and it said draft. One browser vendor proposing things other vendor NAKing it makes it a vendor-specific feature. Like IE had its own features.
  - RockRobotRock 2y ago
    Yeah but we’re trying to fight against browser engine superiority, aren’t we? I hate using chrome, but I’m forced to with any application that uses we busb/web serial or Bluetooth.
    - the8472 2y ago
      But that's basically complaining that firefox doesn't just blindly adopt whatever google proposes. A lot of the concerns are about security and privacy, the thing that mozilla is praised for doing better than google. And no, you're not forced to use google. You can make native applications when it's necessary to use privileged interfaces.
      - RockRobotRock 2y ago
        That's a fair argument, but IMO Mozilla is dogmatic to a point it'll be detrimental to them long-term.
- Bluestein 2y ago
  A shame. They used to be the free (freedom) option.-
- 93po 2y ago
  You prefer the management of Chromium, which makes billions a year from invading your privacy and force feeding you advertising, while also ruining the internet ecosystem?
  - RockRobotRock 2y ago
    Yes, me lightly criticizing Mozilla means that I endorse Google. Fuck off

4mitkumar 2y ago

Do not go by the warning message. It does work just fine on Firefox latest. Cool, demo, btw!

makeitmore 2y ago

Hi, I built the client UI for this and... yea, I really wanted to get Firefox working :( We needed a way to measure voice-to-voice latency from the end-user's perspective, and found Silero voice activity detection (https://github.com/snakers4/silero-vad https://github.com/snakers4/silero-vad) to be the most reliable at detecting when the user has stopped speaking, so we can start the timer (and stop it again when audio is received from the bot.) Silero runs via onnx-runtime (with wasm). Whilst it sort-of-kinda works in Firefox, the VAD seems to misfire more than it should, causing the latency numbers to be somewhat absurd. I really want to get it working though! I'm still trying. The code for the UI VAD is here: https://github.com/pipecat-ai/web-client-ui/tree/main/src/vad https://github.com/pipecat-ai/web-client-ui/tree/main/src/va...

stavros 2y ago
Do you know why there's a difference in the performance of the algorithm in another browser? I would expect that all browsers run the code exactly the same way.

chungus 2y ago

It is working perfectly for me on Firefox (version 127).

makeitmore 2y ago
Thanks for sharing. I did make some changes that seems to have improved things, although I do still see the occasional misfire. Perhaps good enough to remove that ugly red banner though!