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mice models are notoriously known for being bad to predict anything related to the actual disease pathways

SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
“Humanized mice”… yea, still mice though. I’m kind of not joking that I think asking for medical study volunteers from prison populations in exchange for time served would put us way ahead. Or instead of the death penalty, we try some things out that maybe might not work. We would have cured for colds, cancers, and hair loss in a few years of human testing.
- tumult 2y ago
  This is a bad idea, because it would incentivize channeling even more people into the prison system in order to have test subjects. Instead of more cures for diseases, we would get an equilibrium-finding economy of live human bodies, where most of the net gain is diverted to middlemen and administrative overhead. And don't forget the incomprehensible horror.
  - skeledrew 2y ago
    This is voluntary though. Sure the odds of more volunteering increases with the total number of bodies, but I don't think it'd be actually significant.
    - tumult 2y ago
      “in exchange for time served”
      - skeledrew 2y ago
        Sure. There isn't an inherent financial incentive here for the prison system (though an illegal one could easily develop, as it does with all else). It really boils down to the type of study and how much time gets exchanged: I'd assume the more dangerous something is, the more "time served" it's worth, for example. And of course there are all the usual caveats of determining a fair rate, ensuring informed consent, etc.
  - thatcat 2y ago
    Didn't this already happen repeatedly in US history? Legislation was passed preventing human testing in the early 90s
- snapcaster 2y ago
  Truly monstrous idea. It alarms me that you can't immediately identify several massive problems with this idea
  - SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
    What I like it that you don’t think this is already being done, just probably not in the US a lot.
    - snapcaster 2y ago
      Why do you like that?

“Humanized mice”… yea, still mice though. I’m kind of not joking that I think asking for medical study volunteers from prison populations in exchange for time served would put us way ahead. Or instead of the death penalty, we try some things out that maybe might not work. We would have cured for colds, cancers, and hair loss in a few years of human testing.

tumult 2y ago
This is a bad idea, because it would incentivize channeling even more people into the prison system in order to have test subjects. Instead of more cures for diseases, we would get an equilibrium-finding economy of live human bodies, where most of the net gain is diverted to middlemen and administrative overhead. And don't forget the incomprehensible horror.
- skeledrew 2y ago
  This is voluntary though. Sure the odds of more volunteering increases with the total number of bodies, but I don't think it'd be actually significant.
  - tumult 2y ago
    “in exchange for time served”
    - skeledrew 2y ago
      Sure. There isn't an inherent financial incentive here for the prison system (though an illegal one could easily develop, as it does with all else). It really boils down to the type of study and how much time gets exchanged: I'd assume the more dangerous something is, the more "time served" it's worth, for example. And of course there are all the usual caveats of determining a fair rate, ensuring informed consent, etc.
- thatcat 2y ago
  Didn't this already happen repeatedly in US history? Legislation was passed preventing human testing in the early 90s
snapcaster 2y ago
Truly monstrous idea. It alarms me that you can't immediately identify several massive problems with this idea
- SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
  What I like it that you don’t think this is already being done, just probably not in the US a lot.
  - snapcaster 2y ago
    Why do you like that?