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"This makes sense to me because I'm in the in-group" is basically how I feel about "unlimited vacation" policies. If you've a Type A person who's tight with you

"This makes sense to me because I'm in the in-group" is basically how I feel about "unlimited vacation" policies. If you've a Type A person who's tight with your boss, it's great. If you're non-confrontational and you think maybe your boss doesn't like you, or if you really need to keep your job, it's a nightmare.

CoastalCoder 2y ago
It's also a nasty trap if your burned out. You need the time off but don't know if you have the political capital to safely take it. I struggle to find a charitable guess about the intent behind these policies.
- crooked-v 2y ago
  The intent is "because there isn't a specifically accrued amount of time off, we don't have to pay it out when they quit or are fired".
- mulmen 2y ago
  The charitable take is Hanlon’s Razor. Leadership at these companies is simply incompetent and honestly believes it’s a good policy. It’s an immediately disqualifying policy for me.
- skywhopper 2y ago
  Less time spent dealing with the paperwork of tracking it and accounting for the termination liability of paying out vacation. Those are the two main reasons. I’ve always preferred it because the alternative is usually some too small fixed amount of vacation that I don’t have access to for the first year. It still takes just as much political capital to take time off as long as your boss has to approve, regardless of whether it’s “unlimited” or not.
- CobrastanJorji 2y ago
  I imagine the charitable story goes "if we have a good way of measuring your contributions, we don't need to bother counting your hours and days because we'll know whether you're effective without doing that, and if we don't have a good way of measuring your performance, we have bigger problems that vacation policies won't fix." But that's kind of bullshit.
- tbrownaw 2y ago
  > I struggle to find a charitable guess about the intent behind these policies. We're all friends here, who needs the overhead from all these silly rules about counting beans?
  - outside1234 2y ago
    Especially when counting those beans would mean I would have to make a payout if you left.
skywhopper 2y ago
Not sure how this is different from a job with a defined amount of vacation. Your boss generally needs to approve either way. Plenty of horror stories of people losing carried-over vacation time because the boss wouldn’t approve it. Not sure how “unlimited” leave policies make any difference here.
- CobrastanJorji 2y ago
  Not clearly defining the benefit is to the advantage of the employer. A defined vacation policy means that if you're fired, the company needs to pay out your unused vacation. It means that if your boss isn't letting you take it, there's a problem between the written policy and your boss's preference, and that might mean a resolution mechanism. It means additional ammunition when asking because it's your due, not a favor. It means that the person who is not socially adroit understands how much vacation they're allowed and isn't leaving available vacation unused.

CoastalCoder 2y ago

It's also a nasty trap if your burned out. You need the time off but don't know if you have the political capital to safely take it. I struggle to find a charitable guess about the intent behind these policies.

crooked-v 2y ago
The intent is "because there isn't a specifically accrued amount of time off, we don't have to pay it out when they quit or are fired".
mulmen 2y ago
The charitable take is Hanlon’s Razor. Leadership at these companies is simply incompetent and honestly believes it’s a good policy. It’s an immediately disqualifying policy for me.
skywhopper 2y ago
Less time spent dealing with the paperwork of tracking it and accounting for the termination liability of paying out vacation. Those are the two main reasons. I’ve always preferred it because the alternative is usually some too small fixed amount of vacation that I don’t have access to for the first year. It still takes just as much political capital to take time off as long as your boss has to approve, regardless of whether it’s “unlimited” or not.
CobrastanJorji 2y ago
I imagine the charitable story goes "if we have a good way of measuring your contributions, we don't need to bother counting your hours and days because we'll know whether you're effective without doing that, and if we don't have a good way of measuring your performance, we have bigger problems that vacation policies won't fix." But that's kind of bullshit.
tbrownaw 2y ago
> I struggle to find a charitable guess about the intent behind these policies. We're all friends here, who needs the overhead from all these silly rules about counting beans?
- outside1234 2y ago
  Especially when counting those beans would mean I would have to make a payout if you left.

skywhopper 2y ago

Not sure how this is different from a job with a defined amount of vacation. Your boss generally needs to approve either way. Plenty of horror stories of people losing carried-over vacation time because the boss wouldn’t approve it. Not sure how “unlimited” leave policies make any difference here.

CobrastanJorji 2y ago
Not clearly defining the benefit is to the advantage of the employer. A defined vacation policy means that if you're fired, the company needs to pay out your unused vacation. It means that if your boss isn't letting you take it, there's a problem between the written policy and your boss's preference, and that might mean a resolution mechanism. It means additional ammunition when asking because it's your due, not a favor. It means that the person who is not socially adroit understands how much vacation they're allowed and isn't leaving available vacation unused.