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> Xenon is unique among psychedelic drugs because it’s a pure element. It leaves the body exactly as it entered, completely unchanged. I very doubt it is true.

by rvba 2y ago

> Xenon is unique among psychedelic drugs because it’s a pure element. It leaves the body exactly as it entered, completely unchanged. I very doubt it is true. The article poorly hand waves later that a brain without oxygen will starve. I bet shooting this crap for some short term high will burn your brain cells, even if mixed with oxygen.

alan-hn 2y ago
That's absolutely not true. It is already used in medical practice and mixing with oxygen, similar to how laughing gas is used, prevents hypoxia. These things are easy to google if you actually care to look
ttyprintk 2y ago
You should compare it with oxygen tents used to simulate training at high elevation. The risk of damage is more-documented from those compared to argon and xenon.
idiotsecant 2y ago
A magnet will pass by a hard drive and emerge totally unchanged. It doesn't mean the hard drive was not changed
- snaeker58 2y ago
  I wouldn’t use such analogies on wildly unrelated subjects. Saying „The long term effects of Xenon on the human body and brain are still mostly undocumented when it comes to repeated recreational use.“ sounds so much better! Especially since almost all common magnets don’t actually effect a hard drives functionality. The internet states you need a magnet with a force of 0,5kg to actually cause data loss. So we’re talking a large neodymium magnet. Which makes this analogy even worse. It’s honestly incredibly how much your analogy upsets me!
  - idiotsecant 2y ago
    Sounds like a you problem, the analogy is fine. Just because the gas emerges unchanged does not mean the body through which it passed was.
- rvba 2y ago
  Very good analogy!
opprobium 2y ago
It is in fact psychoactive and a good anesthetic: "How does xenon produce anaesthesia?" https://www.nature.com/articles/24525 https://www.nature.com/articles/24525 It is not typically used in most countries because it is very expensive compared to alternatives, but it is approved in many countries for anesthesia: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3626616 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3626616 I found this article very weak, but Xenon is quite a real drug.
RIMR 2y ago
Xenon gas is a pure element. It absolutely is going to leave your body exactly the way it entered, because your body has absolutely no ability to break down a pure non-reactive element into anything. You seem to be responding to this as if it is saying that your brain is immune to injury from Xenon abuse, which is never a claim that the article made. It is clearly stated that oxygen deprivation through Xenon inhalation can cause death. Now, 30 seconds of oxygen deprivation is sure to cause your brain to "starve" in the sense that oxygen levels will drop enough to affect your consciousness, but that's absolutely not enough oxygen deprivation to cause brain damage, given that the general method is to trip off of a single inhale, similarly to how Nitrous Oxide is used recreationally.

by rvba 2y ago

alan-hn 2y ago

That's absolutely not true. It is already used in medical practice and mixing with oxygen, similar to how laughing gas is used, prevents hypoxia. These things are easy to google if you actually care to look

ttyprintk 2y ago

You should compare it with oxygen tents used to simulate training at high elevation. The risk of damage is more-documented from those compared to argon and xenon.

idiotsecant 2y ago

A magnet will pass by a hard drive and emerge totally unchanged. It doesn't mean the hard drive was not changed

snaeker58 2y ago
I wouldn’t use such analogies on wildly unrelated subjects. Saying „The long term effects of Xenon on the human body and brain are still mostly undocumented when it comes to repeated recreational use.“ sounds so much better! Especially since almost all common magnets don’t actually effect a hard drives functionality. The internet states you need a magnet with a force of 0,5kg to actually cause data loss. So we’re talking a large neodymium magnet. Which makes this analogy even worse. It’s honestly incredibly how much your analogy upsets me!
- idiotsecant 2y ago
  Sounds like a you problem, the analogy is fine. Just because the gas emerges unchanged does not mean the body through which it passed was.
rvba 2y ago
Very good analogy!

opprobium 2y ago

It is in fact psychoactive and a good anesthetic: "How does xenon produce anaesthesia?" https://www.nature.com/articles/24525 https://www.nature.com/articles/24525 It is not typically used in most countries because it is very expensive compared to alternatives, but it is approved in many countries for anesthesia: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3626616 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3626616 I found this article very weak, but Xenon is quite a real drug.

RIMR 2y ago

Xenon gas is a pure element. It absolutely is going to leave your body exactly the way it entered, because your body has absolutely no ability to break down a pure non-reactive element into anything. You seem to be responding to this as if it is saying that your brain is immune to injury from Xenon abuse, which is never a claim that the article made. It is clearly stated that oxygen deprivation through Xenon inhalation can cause death. Now, 30 seconds of oxygen deprivation is sure to cause your brain to "starve" in the sense that oxygen levels will drop enough to affect your consciousness, but that's absolutely not enough oxygen deprivation to cause brain damage, given that the general method is to trip off of a single inhale, similarly to how Nitrous Oxide is used recreationally.