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We’ve been debating this “green new deal” in Denmark for months. While we have our share of disinformation and bad arguments from political interest groups and

We’ve been debating this “green new deal” in Denmark for months. While we have our share of disinformation and bad arguments from political interest groups and confused individuals, it’s pretty eye opening to see how “usaglig”[0] the debate in this thread is. Our political scene is not perfect, but man are we in a much better place here than the US (I assume its the US bias of this site that make even slightly political discussions here so.. difficult) Here in Denmark, both sides have to make somewhat reasonable somewhat fact-based arguments if they don’t wanna lose face. [0] we even have a word for whether a debate/argument is ‘high quality’ or not, its either saglig (reasonable) or usaglig (unreasonable)

A_D_E_P_T 2y ago
Why exactly is it "usaglig" to suggest that this new tax is pointless, and indeed hypocritical in light of Denmark's other policies? (No nuclear power, punitive tariffs on EVs and solar panels, etc.) The most charitable interpretation: It is political theatre. And that, by definition, is unwise and unreasonable.
- Tadpole9181 2y ago
  Oh, of course, that's the most charitable interpretation. Usaglig.
  - A_D_E_P_T 2y ago
    What would you suggest is simultaneously more charitable and at the same time reasonable and well-considered? I don't think that there is such a position. If climate change is the bureaucrats' true concern, there are many better ways to combat it, and many of those ways aren't taxes on the population. In fact, it's quite unreasonable to suggest that anything Denmark does, in itself, can affect the world's climate situation. The only thing Denmark can do is provide the world with a positive example. This ain't it -- with rising cost-of-living concerns around the world, it's very much a step in the wrong direction.
- mollerhoj 2y ago
  It isn’t necessary usagligt to argue that the new policy will be ineffectual, and that its just political posturing. However, its not position that either side here in DK holds. Both sides agrees thats its a major reform. You're making a novel claim here. Given how politics works, its unsurprising that the legislation isn’t completely consistent with other DK policies. The public opinion on nuclear has changed in recent years - maybe we’ll see some changes here soon.

A_D_E_P_T 2y ago

Why exactly is it "usaglig" to suggest that this new tax is pointless, and indeed hypocritical in light of Denmark's other policies? (No nuclear power, punitive tariffs on EVs and solar panels, etc.) The most charitable interpretation: It is political theatre. And that, by definition, is unwise and unreasonable.

Tadpole9181 2y ago
Oh, of course, that's the most charitable interpretation. Usaglig.
- A_D_E_P_T 2y ago
  What would you suggest is simultaneously more charitable and at the same time reasonable and well-considered? I don't think that there is such a position. If climate change is the bureaucrats' true concern, there are many better ways to combat it, and many of those ways aren't taxes on the population. In fact, it's quite unreasonable to suggest that anything Denmark does, in itself, can affect the world's climate situation. The only thing Denmark can do is provide the world with a positive example. This ain't it -- with rising cost-of-living concerns around the world, it's very much a step in the wrong direction.
mollerhoj 2y ago
It isn’t necessary usagligt to argue that the new policy will be ineffectual, and that its just political posturing. However, its not position that either side here in DK holds. Both sides agrees thats its a major reform. You're making a novel claim here. Given how politics works, its unsurprising that the legislation isn’t completely consistent with other DK policies. The public opinion on nuclear has changed in recent years - maybe we’ll see some changes here soon.