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Watching the keynote, the feature where it spits out a design based on a prompt seems like a gimmick. If it doesn't work with MY design system (as opposed to cu

Watching the keynote, the feature where it spits out a design based on a prompt seems like a gimmick. If it doesn't work with MY design system (as opposed to curated design systems like MUI or Bootstrap or whatever) then it's useless. It's also probably not ready to design complex applications, as opposed to brochure websites and apps that fit into very common templates. The AI-powered search features seem really promising, as finding the right design file is a problem I face every day. What they showed was the ability to paste a screenshot (e.g. from production) and have it find where that design came from, or use a text search to do the same. That's something that'll make me squeal with joy if it actually works. Filling in mock data in designs is also a big potential quality of life improvement. The domain I work in is so specific that I'm not sure it'll be of practical use to me, but I'm hopeful. All in all, I'm glad about the parts where they are trying to target some specific pain points with AI, skeptical about the rest.

jjcm 2y ago
PM here for Make Designs. > If it doesn't work with MY design system (as opposed to curated design systems like MUI or Bootstrap or whatever) then it's useless You hit the nail on the head. This our #1 focus for this team moving forward. If you noticed in the keynote, Dylan highlighted Chen Chen and the Google Material team, both of whom created generators for their design systems. They work, but they were hard to make as the tooling to create these isn't polished or ready yet. It's something we're actively thinking about and improving in order to make this useful for those with existing design systems.
- tsunamifury 2y ago
  The problem here isn’t that it uses your pattern library or not. The issue is it will spit out static designs that look right but aren’t actually based on either user goals or business goals of the product. It’s just a design that looks right. It’s missing the entire workflow design part and in fact covers over the need for it. I see it leading a lot of less experienced product programs astray.
  - gffrd 2y ago
    So … how most companies are already designing experiences?
    - tsunamifury 2y ago
      Touché
  - LauraMedia 2y ago
    I think what would also be important is to select an existing frame and create additional views that fit the existing frame, that would definitely help creating a proper workflow
- choppaface 2y ago
  Are you really shooting to generate something full-fidelity? Or rather provide lower fidelity but empower the user to spitball and maybe test light interaction? And if it is full fidelity, how do you ensure users actually own the copyright at the end of the day?
- LauraMedia 2y ago
  I do think the number one points I've had with the feature were: - I'd like to create tablet sized apps, or desktop/web sized apps (and not landing pages) - It would be awesome if I could provide mock JSON data and let Figma design a rough concept of how to align that data I think with those two things, It can be a really great "first draft", to be remade by me properly.
jerrygenser 2y ago
v0 by Vercel only outputs one UI library, shadcn/ui. Useful if you are wanting to use that library for example starting a project from scratch. Potentially vercel will add more. https://v0.dev/ https://v0.dev/
- leerob 2y ago
  You can also output HTML / Tailwind, but the ambition is to support custom React component libraries & design systems.
kristopolous 2y ago
most projects are pretty generic. I've been on countless where they just want something that looks like everything else. If this can deliver that and I can do it without having to contract out a designer, it's a win.
- hbosch 2y ago
  The race is on. What will AI deliver first...? Production-ready code so PMs don't need engineers, or production-ready designs so PMs don't need designers? The reality is that without domain experts (design, research, engineering, business, law) you're left trusting the AI to make the decision without a good way to check if it made the right one.
  - alfalfasprout 2y ago
    Oh you'll find out alright... when it's too late. I'm just waiting for a year or two from now when companies realize what a colossal hole they dug themselves in using a bunch of AI generated crap in production. We're already seeing it with marketing copy.
  - kristopolous 2y ago
    Design is different. It's become literally just whatever the boss likes. You can tell me about the math, theories and laws but look around you, nobody cares about those any more.
    - Hoasi 2y ago
      > You can tell me about the math, theories and laws but look around you, nobody cares about those any more. It's true. Just a few years back, design thinking was all the rage. Nowadays, even apps from flagship companies feel all over the place. Attention to detail, unobtrusive interface, intelligent symbols, subdued color palettes, rich illustrations, all that is out the window now. Why should we need good design when we can replace it with cheaper "AI" templates?
    - hbosch 2y ago
hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
> The AI-powered search features seem really promising, as finding the right design file is a problem I face every day. What they showed was the ability to paste a screenshot (e.g. from production) and have it find where that design came from, or use a text search to do the same. That's something that'll make me squeal with joy if it actually works. I've found that, generally, "better search" is the biggest productivity bump I get from gen AI at the moment. That is, lots of times I don't know the keyword of what I want to find beforehand, and with things like ChatGPT I can just describe it to find out. E.g. recently I needed to update all the values in a Postgres array column of one value to another, so I just described to ChatGPT what I wanted to do. It would have taken me a lot longer to hunt through the docs to find the `array_replace` function and get usage examples. Plus, in the "better search" use case I'm much less concerned about hallucinations as I'm really only using ChatGPT to get me started in the right direction in the first place.
- adriand 2y ago
  It’s true. My best example of this recently was describing what I needed to finish a cabling project and discovering that it’s called a “grommet”. I had already spent a bunch of time on the Home Depot website searching for the wrong things (faceplate, outlet cover, etc) without success. Armed with the correct term, I found the product in seconds.
bagels 2y ago
I'm not a designer and I don't have a design system, but if this lets me build wireframes that I can hand off, that would save me a ton of time.

jjcm 2y ago

PM here for Make Designs. > If it doesn't work with MY design system (as opposed to curated design systems like MUI or Bootstrap or whatever) then it's useless You hit the nail on the head. This our #1 focus for this team moving forward. If you noticed in the keynote, Dylan highlighted Chen Chen and the Google Material team, both of whom created generators for their design systems. They work, but they were hard to make as the tooling to create these isn't polished or ready yet. It's something we're actively thinking about and improving in order to make this useful for those with existing design systems.

tsunamifury 2y ago
The problem here isn’t that it uses your pattern library or not. The issue is it will spit out static designs that look right but aren’t actually based on either user goals or business goals of the product. It’s just a design that looks right. It’s missing the entire workflow design part and in fact covers over the need for it. I see it leading a lot of less experienced product programs astray.
- gffrd 2y ago
  So … how most companies are already designing experiences?
  - tsunamifury 2y ago
    Touché
- LauraMedia 2y ago
  I think what would also be important is to select an existing frame and create additional views that fit the existing frame, that would definitely help creating a proper workflow
choppaface 2y ago
Are you really shooting to generate something full-fidelity? Or rather provide lower fidelity but empower the user to spitball and maybe test light interaction? And if it is full fidelity, how do you ensure users actually own the copyright at the end of the day?
LauraMedia 2y ago
I do think the number one points I've had with the feature were: - I'd like to create tablet sized apps, or desktop/web sized apps (and not landing pages) - It would be awesome if I could provide mock JSON data and let Figma design a rough concept of how to align that data I think with those two things, It can be a really great "first draft", to be remade by me properly.

jerrygenser 2y ago

v0 by Vercel only outputs one UI library, shadcn/ui. Useful if you are wanting to use that library for example starting a project from scratch. Potentially vercel will add more. https://v0.dev/ https://v0.dev/

leerob 2y ago
You can also output HTML / Tailwind, but the ambition is to support custom React component libraries & design systems.

kristopolous 2y ago

most projects are pretty generic. I've been on countless where they just want something that looks like everything else. If this can deliver that and I can do it without having to contract out a designer, it's a win.

hbosch 2y ago
The race is on. What will AI deliver first...? Production-ready code so PMs don't need engineers, or production-ready designs so PMs don't need designers? The reality is that without domain experts (design, research, engineering, business, law) you're left trusting the AI to make the decision without a good way to check if it made the right one.
- alfalfasprout 2y ago
  Oh you'll find out alright... when it's too late. I'm just waiting for a year or two from now when companies realize what a colossal hole they dug themselves in using a bunch of AI generated crap in production. We're already seeing it with marketing copy.
- kristopolous 2y ago
  Design is different. It's become literally just whatever the boss likes. You can tell me about the math, theories and laws but look around you, nobody cares about those any more.
  - Hoasi 2y ago
    > You can tell me about the math, theories and laws but look around you, nobody cares about those any more. It's true. Just a few years back, design thinking was all the rage. Nowadays, even apps from flagship companies feel all over the place. Attention to detail, unobtrusive interface, intelligent symbols, subdued color palettes, rich illustrations, all that is out the window now. Why should we need good design when we can replace it with cheaper "AI" templates?
  - hbosch 2y ago

hn_throwaway_99 2y ago

> The AI-powered search features seem really promising, as finding the right design file is a problem I face every day. What they showed was the ability to paste a screenshot (e.g. from production) and have it find where that design came from, or use a text search to do the same. That's something that'll make me squeal with joy if it actually works. I've found that, generally, "better search" is the biggest productivity bump I get from gen AI at the moment. That is, lots of times I don't know the keyword of what I want to find beforehand, and with things like ChatGPT I can just describe it to find out. E.g. recently I needed to update all the values in a Postgres array column of one value to another, so I just described to ChatGPT what I wanted to do. It would have taken me a lot longer to hunt through the docs to find the `array_replace` function and get usage examples. Plus, in the "better search" use case I'm much less concerned about hallucinations as I'm really only using ChatGPT to get me started in the right direction in the first place.

adriand 2y ago
It’s true. My best example of this recently was describing what I needed to finish a cabling project and discovering that it’s called a “grommet”. I had already spent a bunch of time on the Home Depot website searching for the wrong things (faceplate, outlet cover, etc) without success. Armed with the correct term, I found the product in seconds.

bagels 2y ago

I'm not a designer and I don't have a design system, but if this lets me build wireframes that I can hand off, that would save me a ton of time.