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This is incorrect. The "authors" of the article also run Energy-Charts.info where you can see how much was imported/exported. In all of 2023 Germany imported ju

This is incorrect. The "authors" of the article also run Energy-Charts.info where you can see how much was imported/exported. In all of 2023 Germany imported just 0.4TWh net electricity from France. Most of the import imbalance came from Denmark, Norway and third place Sweden the only other country with a significant nuclear percentage. The numbers are skewed by last winter when Germany did most of the exports to France, but at the same time it will continue to increase renewables capacity and decrease the imports. In general I don't see a problem. Germany doesn't want nuclear because it considers it a bad deal. France thinks it's good so it sells it to Germany, and Germany buys it because it's cheaper than producing from coal domestically. Everyone should be happy. https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&source=tcs_saldo&year=2023&interval=year https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE...

hokkos 2y ago
Now switch to physical flow and France is the top exporter for Germany. Note that cross border trading is day ahead and not complete, it misses at lot of the daily flow, anyway trading and physical are completely different because of Kirchhoff law. Anyway people that talk about import from one country to another just show that they don't what they talk about. For example Danemark is a net importer for 2023, so it doesn't make any sense to say that most of Germany electricity import comes from Danemark, it actually comes from Norway and Sweden and Danemark is just passing it through. You would have to use flow tracing to get how much each country provide, but if there is 2 way to count flow there many more to do flow tracing. What is important is net position.
- locallost 2y ago
  Quote from the energy charts page: > The physical electricity flows do not provide any information on whether the electricity was actually consumed in the country or whether it was forwarded to neighbouring countries as transit electricity. So when people talk about imports and exports, they usually talk about who paid who (electricity trade). Sweden and Norway are already listed. I suppose it's possible someone in Denmark was buying from the Scandinavian countries and sold it to Germany, I don't know how the markets, bidding zones etc work in detail. But even in that case it was not really buying that much French nuclear. And again, even if it was I don't see a real problem. Germany thinks it's a bad deal to have them running, but if France thinks it can make it work, sure. Sounds like a win-win.

hokkos 2y ago

Now switch to physical flow and France is the top exporter for Germany. Note that cross border trading is day ahead and not complete, it misses at lot of the daily flow, anyway trading and physical are completely different because of Kirchhoff law. Anyway people that talk about import from one country to another just show that they don't what they talk about. For example Danemark is a net importer for 2023, so it doesn't make any sense to say that most of Germany electricity import comes from Danemark, it actually comes from Norway and Sweden and Danemark is just passing it through. You would have to use flow tracing to get how much each country provide, but if there is 2 way to count flow there many more to do flow tracing. What is important is net position.

locallost 2y ago
Quote from the energy charts page: > The physical electricity flows do not provide any information on whether the electricity was actually consumed in the country or whether it was forwarded to neighbouring countries as transit electricity. So when people talk about imports and exports, they usually talk about who paid who (electricity trade). Sweden and Norway are already listed. I suppose it's possible someone in Denmark was buying from the Scandinavian countries and sold it to Germany, I don't know how the markets, bidding zones etc work in detail. But even in that case it was not really buying that much French nuclear. And again, even if it was I don't see a real problem. Germany thinks it's a bad deal to have them running, but if France thinks it can make it work, sure. Sounds like a win-win.