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The plan was to talk about renewables while buying Russian gas, since solar can't possibly cover the consumption. It's not a coincidence that the German prime

The plan was to talk about renewables while buying Russian gas, since solar can't possibly cover the consumption. It's not a coincidence that the German prime minister from the era when they decided to phase out nuclear now works for Gazprom and Rosneft. He literally said the West caused Russia to invade Georgia in 2008 (what a fucking moron). In normal countries this is called treason. In Germany it's "developing trade relations".

ben_w 2y ago
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Area+Germany+*+1+kW%2Fm%5E2+*+20%25+*+10%25 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Area+Germany+*+1+kW%2Fm... Germany alone, using PV alone, has the potential to supply the entire planet's electricity demand 3.5 times over, even when using medium efficiency cells and also accounting for their capacity factor. Meeting just Germany's own domestic demand purely with PV would take 0.8% of the land area: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=%28%28514.6e9+kWh%2F1+year%29+%2F+%28Area+Germany+*+1+kW%2Fm%5E2+*+20%25+*+10%25%29%29+to+percent https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=%28%28514.6e9+kWh%2F1+y... This is about a tenth of the land area that's already been built on: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/lan_lcv_ovw/default/table?lang=en https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/lan_lcv_ovw/d... Also, this ignores the ample German wind resources that currently supplies a bit over twice as much as their PV, with all renewables collectively being 52% of Germany's gross electricity production: https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economic-Sectors-Enterprises/Energy/Production/Tables/gross-electricity-production.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economic-Sectors-Enterpris... Of course, the people doing this might have simply not believed that any of this was possible, and had some villainous scheme in mind that accidentally went wrong in a way that gave everyone else substantial benefits — I've still not seen "The Mouse That Roared", but I'm aware of the plot and have that in mind.
throw0101c 2y ago
> It's not a coincidence that the German prime minister from the era when they decided to phase out nuclear now works for Gazprom and Rosneft. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schröder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schröder
aleph_minus_one 2y ago
> In normal countries this is called treason. In Germany it's "developing trade relations". You must not forget that Gerhard Schröder won the 2002 election by promising that Germany won't join the USA in invading the Iraq, a promise that many German citizens venerate him for. For basically everyone in Germany it was obvious that Putin is a criminal, but the mood in German society at that time was that the Iraq invasion of George W. Bush was to be considered a genocide. So, having a choice between continuing being aligned with a nation/president who wants Germans to join a genocide vs seeking alignment with a criminal, Schröder's politics of seeking rapprochement with Russia/Putin was rather well-regarded in the German society.

ben_w 2y ago

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Area+Germany+*+1+kW%2Fm%5E2+*+20%25+*+10%25 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Area+Germany+*+1+kW%2Fm... Germany alone, using PV alone, has the potential to supply the entire planet's electricity demand 3.5 times over, even when using medium efficiency cells and also accounting for their capacity factor. Meeting just Germany's own domestic demand purely with PV would take 0.8% of the land area: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=%28%28514.6e9+kWh%2F1+year%29+%2F+%28Area+Germany+*+1+kW%2Fm%5E2+*+20%25+*+10%25%29%29+to+percent https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=%28%28514.6e9+kWh%2F1+y... This is about a tenth of the land area that's already been built on: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/lan_lcv_ovw/default/table?lang=en https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/lan_lcv_ovw/d... Also, this ignores the ample German wind resources that currently supplies a bit over twice as much as their PV, with all renewables collectively being 52% of Germany's gross electricity production: https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economic-Sectors-Enterprises/Energy/Production/Tables/gross-electricity-production.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economic-Sectors-Enterpris... Of course, the people doing this might have simply not believed that any of this was possible, and had some villainous scheme in mind that accidentally went wrong in a way that gave everyone else substantial benefits — I've still not seen "The Mouse That Roared", but I'm aware of the plot and have that in mind.

throw0101c 2y ago

> It's not a coincidence that the German prime minister from the era when they decided to phase out nuclear now works for Gazprom and Rosneft. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schröder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schröder

aleph_minus_one 2y ago

> In normal countries this is called treason. In Germany it's "developing trade relations". You must not forget that Gerhard Schröder won the 2002 election by promising that Germany won't join the USA in invading the Iraq, a promise that many German citizens venerate him for. For basically everyone in Germany it was obvious that Putin is a criminal, but the mood in German society at that time was that the Iraq invasion of George W. Bush was to be considered a genocide. So, having a choice between continuing being aligned with a nation/president who wants Germans to join a genocide vs seeking alignment with a criminal, Schröder's politics of seeking rapprochement with Russia/Putin was rather well-regarded in the German society.