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That's actually false. Germany increasing their ability to import electricity from their neighbouring european countries is good for their national security, be

That's actually false. Germany increasing their ability to import electricity from their neighbouring european countries is good for their national security, because it reduces their dependence on fossil fuels from Russia, the USA and the middle east, shifting those dependencies from rivals to their closest allies, and members of the same super-state union. The more electrified Europe becomes, the less reliant they are on fuels imported from rivals outside the EU. Besides, climate change is *also* a gigantic national security risk, more pressing than any regional rivalry.

firesteelrain 2y ago
> climate change is also a gigantic national security risk, more pressing than any regional rivalry. Then, they should not have gotten rid of Nuclear because it's way more efficient than Wind and Solar. No need to give up arable land either to put in giant solar and wind farms.
- eigenspace 2y ago
  As I said, the decommissioning of the Nuclear reactors was a stupid idea. My point above was that people who feel they must be "team nuclear" often like to overstate how stupid it was with comments like yours.
  - firesteelrain 2y ago
    > how stupid it was with comments like yours Why ad hominem attacks? I didn't do it to you.
    - eigenspace 2y ago
      I didn't call you or your comment stupid. I said that you are making Germany's stupid decision to decommission their nuclear reactors sound worse than it actually is.
firesteelrain 2y ago
> Germany increasing their ability to import electricity from their neighbouring european countries is good for their national security, because it reduces their dependence on fossil fuels from Russia National security != Europe security. There is no European Military. It's a loose confederation each with their own borders. Its not like the US.
- eigenspace 2y ago
  There is no German national security without European national security. Everything revolves around NATO and deepening military partnerships with neighbours (e.g. Germany and the Netherlands have a bunch of shared, integrated units). There is no EU military, but there are mutual defense pacts, and the development of a real EU military is something that is being pushed for by Germany.
  - firesteelrain 2y ago
    "Everything revolves around NATO and deepening military partnerships with neighbours (e.g. Germany and the Netherlands have a bunch of shared, integrated units). here is no EU military, but there are mutual defense pacts, and the development of a real EU military is something that is being pushed for by Germany." That sounds counter to what you said above "reduces their dependence on fossil fuels from Russia, the USA and the middle east, shifting those dependencies from rivals to their closest allies" The US is one of their closest allies. It appears you are conflicting yourself.
    - eigenspace 2y ago
      Yes, the USA is one of Germany's closest allies, but the reliablity of that partnership is now being put into question due to the USA's increasing protectionism (on both the left and right), and people's concerns about the potential of a second Donald Trump term (or someone Trump-like). Because of this, EU countries are working rather hard to try and insulate themselves from potential changes in their relationship with the USA (hence the big focus on an EU military and strategic autonomy).

firesteelrain 2y ago

> climate change is also a gigantic national security risk, more pressing than any regional rivalry. Then, they should not have gotten rid of Nuclear because it's way more efficient than Wind and Solar. No need to give up arable land either to put in giant solar and wind farms.

eigenspace 2y ago
As I said, the decommissioning of the Nuclear reactors was a stupid idea. My point above was that people who feel they must be "team nuclear" often like to overstate how stupid it was with comments like yours.
- firesteelrain 2y ago
  > how stupid it was with comments like yours Why ad hominem attacks? I didn't do it to you.
  - eigenspace 2y ago
    I didn't call you or your comment stupid. I said that you are making Germany's stupid decision to decommission their nuclear reactors sound worse than it actually is.

firesteelrain 2y ago

> Germany increasing their ability to import electricity from their neighbouring european countries is good for their national security, because it reduces their dependence on fossil fuels from Russia National security != Europe security. There is no European Military. It's a loose confederation each with their own borders. Its not like the US.

eigenspace 2y ago
There is no German national security without European national security. Everything revolves around NATO and deepening military partnerships with neighbours (e.g. Germany and the Netherlands have a bunch of shared, integrated units). There is no EU military, but there are mutual defense pacts, and the development of a real EU military is something that is being pushed for by Germany.
- firesteelrain 2y ago
  "Everything revolves around NATO and deepening military partnerships with neighbours (e.g. Germany and the Netherlands have a bunch of shared, integrated units). here is no EU military, but there are mutual defense pacts, and the development of a real EU military is something that is being pushed for by Germany." That sounds counter to what you said above "reduces their dependence on fossil fuels from Russia, the USA and the middle east, shifting those dependencies from rivals to their closest allies" The US is one of their closest allies. It appears you are conflicting yourself.
  - eigenspace 2y ago
    Yes, the USA is one of Germany's closest allies, but the reliablity of that partnership is now being put into question due to the USA's increasing protectionism (on both the left and right), and people's concerns about the potential of a second Donald Trump term (or someone Trump-like). Because of this, EU countries are working rather hard to try and insulate themselves from potential changes in their relationship with the USA (hence the big focus on an EU military and strategic autonomy).