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What do they think about paying much higher electricity bills than in most other EU countries? https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?tit

What do they think about paying much higher electricity bills than in most other EU countries? https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Electricity_price_statistics#Electricity_prices_for_household_consumers https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

croes 2y ago
This wouldn't change with nuclear energy because the price is bound to the most energy source. There is a reason the energy companies still keep coal power plants. Without the price and profit would go down.
geff82 2y ago
Aside effects of the Ukraine war, it feels like the bill people actually pay has not risen too much in recent years. Germans famously do not have air conditioning in their homes and most switched all the lights to LEDs, leading to substantial bill reductions in many cases. Electricity for cars or for heating can be obtained at about 25% lower prices and modern houses are, in general, quite energy efficient. So I'd say that the high energy prices are hindering the construction of new factories/keeping the old ones (which can turn out to have bad effects soon), but everyday life is not too much bothered by them.
PinguTS 2y ago
While that covers only the second half of 2023, the prices since then have come down significantly. Germany was never cheap, it was and is still in the top 5. What you also need to consider in those charts, what is the average salary. While it is comparable to Italy, take a closer look to Hungary how expansive it is there. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267500/eu-monthly-wholesale-electricity-price-country/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267500/eu-monthly-whole...
- ernst_klim 2y ago
  Yes, but I pay 34Cents for electricity in Germany, and my friend in Netherlands pays 24-26Cents. That's a huge deal. > what is the average salary Norway, Finland, Netherlands are still much cheaper and they are rich.
  - PinguTS 2y ago
    I can get from 25 cent/kWh (Elektrizität Berlin) to 39 cent/kWh (N-Ergie). It is what you choose.
  - aleph_minus_one 2y ago
    > Norway, Finland, Netherlands are still much cheaper and they are rich. Norway has the terrain for building hydroelectric power plants.
    - ernst_klim 2y ago
      And Finland has nuclear energy, which covers 33% of its energy needs. And so could Germany.
NikkiA 2y ago
That's almost certainly just a benefit of brexit, if we were still in the EU we'd be paying the highest, without any competition.

croes 2y ago

This wouldn't change with nuclear energy because the price is bound to the most energy source. There is a reason the energy companies still keep coal power plants. Without the price and profit would go down.

geff82 2y ago

Aside effects of the Ukraine war, it feels like the bill people actually pay has not risen too much in recent years. Germans famously do not have air conditioning in their homes and most switched all the lights to LEDs, leading to substantial bill reductions in many cases. Electricity for cars or for heating can be obtained at about 25% lower prices and modern houses are, in general, quite energy efficient. So I'd say that the high energy prices are hindering the construction of new factories/keeping the old ones (which can turn out to have bad effects soon), but everyday life is not too much bothered by them.

PinguTS 2y ago

While that covers only the second half of 2023, the prices since then have come down significantly. Germany was never cheap, it was and is still in the top 5. What you also need to consider in those charts, what is the average salary. While it is comparable to Italy, take a closer look to Hungary how expansive it is there. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267500/eu-monthly-wholesale-electricity-price-country/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267500/eu-monthly-whole...

ernst_klim 2y ago
Yes, but I pay 34Cents for electricity in Germany, and my friend in Netherlands pays 24-26Cents. That's a huge deal. > what is the average salary Norway, Finland, Netherlands are still much cheaper and they are rich.
- PinguTS 2y ago
  I can get from 25 cent/kWh (Elektrizität Berlin) to 39 cent/kWh (N-Ergie). It is what you choose.
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago
  > Norway, Finland, Netherlands are still much cheaper and they are rich. Norway has the terrain for building hydroelectric power plants.
  - ernst_klim 2y ago
    And Finland has nuclear energy, which covers 33% of its energy needs. And so could Germany.

NikkiA 2y ago

That's almost certainly just a benefit of brexit, if we were still in the EU we'd be paying the highest, without any competition.