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Hmm I am not transgender and I am quite sure of it so it's not everyone as you claim.

TheNewsIsHere 2y ago
I am also not transgender. I find it interesting that some population of people invariably write off as a “fad”, trend, affectation, acting, or what-have-you, a population that has gained greater visibility than they previously had. We have been seeing that same pattern for awhile now, particularly as people learn that the spectrum of identity and expression doesn’t end with “just” being gay.
- twixfel 2y ago
  I agree it makes no sense. Nothing about being transgender looks remotely enjoyable or trendy. Hard to imagine someone would just go along with it for fun. The only thing I am skeptical of is those who are looking to increasingly subdivide gender identities into finer and finer niches, but in a way that nevertheless has no impact on their lives whatsoever. That's a whole lot of distinctions without differences to me, but that does not apply with transgenderism.
  - Izkata 2y ago
    > Nothing about being transgender looks remotely enjoyable or trendy. Hard to imagine someone would just go along with it for fun. This just sounds like you haven't encountered what they're referring to. For an introduction, check out some of the definitions on here: https://nonbinary.wiki/wiki/List_of_nonbinary_identities https://nonbinary.wiki/wiki/List_of_nonbinary_identities (and this list isn't anywhere close to compete compared to some I've seen in the past, just the easiest to find with a quick search) Many of these also come with special pronouns you're supposed to use instead of him/her, to the point where even the nonspecific "they" is considered offensive. It is absolutely a fad thing among the left in the US.
    - spencerflem 2y ago
      Being totally earnest- I have friends who are trans, they are not doing it to hop on a trend or as a lark. Like pundits often say, it often comes with difficult medical procedures or at the very least a lot of social problems. And unlike pundits usually say, getting medication is extremely difficult and degrading and can take years. And for all the ones I know, none of them have regretted it, and if anything say they wished they could have transitioned sooner. I can't say I get what it feels like to be living as the wrong gender but if its worth putting up with as much as they do to change its gotta be bad. To your point - Yes there are people who will get offended at the wrong "they" because they'd prefer other neopronouns, but every person I know who uses those are very forgiving as long as it seems like you're not actively trying to misgender them. Mistakes happen constantly and every reasonable person respects that. I'm sure you can find people on the internet with bad takes or being obnoxious or cringe about it but you can find that with anything. & Yes that list is super detailed and I'm willing to admit I find some of them kinda weird, but people are weird about a lot of things and to be honest why should this be something to care about in particular. Even the stuff I truely cannot understand, like otherkin or plural, who is that hurting?
      - Izkata 2y ago
        > I have friends who are trans, they are not doing it to hop on a trend or as a lark. Like pundits often say, it often comes with difficult medical procedures or at the very least a lot of social problems. Which confirms you're not talking about the same group as the other person and me. The derogatory term is "transtrender"; they're claiming the label "trans" for social clout and don't have any of the issues you're talking about because they don't have any body dysphoria and have no intention of actually transitioning. To quote one of my former co-workers who was like this, "everyone should be trans, it's fun".
        spencerflem 2y ago
        I don't doubt there are some people like that BUT - 1. Given how difficult the medical side is (something the anti-trans people like to call out all the time as 'multilation'), I don't think we should be looking down on trans people who haven't done anything medically & 2. Even if this group does exist, what's the point of bringing it up, especially here in this thread? It reads as being opposed to trans rights altogether because 'they're all faking it for clout' which just isn't true at all. && 3. Even for those you'd call 'transtrenders', is it really so bad to want to dress differently and get a new name? It's not that hard to accommodate and doesn't hurt anyone.

I am also not transgender. I find it interesting that some population of people invariably write off as a “fad”, trend, affectation, acting, or what-have-you, a population that has gained greater visibility than they previously had. We have been seeing that same pattern for awhile now, particularly as people learn that the spectrum of identity and expression doesn’t end with “just” being gay.

twixfel 2y ago
I agree it makes no sense. Nothing about being transgender looks remotely enjoyable or trendy. Hard to imagine someone would just go along with it for fun. The only thing I am skeptical of is those who are looking to increasingly subdivide gender identities into finer and finer niches, but in a way that nevertheless has no impact on their lives whatsoever. That's a whole lot of distinctions without differences to me, but that does not apply with transgenderism.
- Izkata 2y ago
  > Nothing about being transgender looks remotely enjoyable or trendy. Hard to imagine someone would just go along with it for fun. This just sounds like you haven't encountered what they're referring to. For an introduction, check out some of the definitions on here: https://nonbinary.wiki/wiki/List_of_nonbinary_identities https://nonbinary.wiki/wiki/List_of_nonbinary_identities (and this list isn't anywhere close to compete compared to some I've seen in the past, just the easiest to find with a quick search) Many of these also come with special pronouns you're supposed to use instead of him/her, to the point where even the nonspecific "they" is considered offensive. It is absolutely a fad thing among the left in the US.
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    Being totally earnest- I have friends who are trans, they are not doing it to hop on a trend or as a lark. Like pundits often say, it often comes with difficult medical procedures or at the very least a lot of social problems. And unlike pundits usually say, getting medication is extremely difficult and degrading and can take years. And for all the ones I know, none of them have regretted it, and if anything say they wished they could have transitioned sooner. I can't say I get what it feels like to be living as the wrong gender but if its worth putting up with as much as they do to change its gotta be bad. To your point - Yes there are people who will get offended at the wrong "they" because they'd prefer other neopronouns, but every person I know who uses those are very forgiving as long as it seems like you're not actively trying to misgender them. Mistakes happen constantly and every reasonable person respects that. I'm sure you can find people on the internet with bad takes or being obnoxious or cringe about it but you can find that with anything. & Yes that list is super detailed and I'm willing to admit I find some of them kinda weird, but people are weird about a lot of things and to be honest why should this be something to care about in particular. Even the stuff I truely cannot understand, like otherkin or plural, who is that hurting?
    - Izkata 2y ago
      > I have friends who are trans, they are not doing it to hop on a trend or as a lark. Like pundits often say, it often comes with difficult medical procedures or at the very least a lot of social problems. Which confirms you're not talking about the same group as the other person and me. The derogatory term is "transtrender"; they're claiming the label "trans" for social clout and don't have any of the issues you're talking about because they don't have any body dysphoria and have no intention of actually transitioning. To quote one of my former co-workers who was like this, "everyone should be trans, it's fun".
      - spencerflem 2y ago
        I don't doubt there are some people like that BUT - 1. Given how difficult the medical side is (something the anti-trans people like to call out all the time as 'multilation'), I don't think we should be looking down on trans people who haven't done anything medically & 2. Even if this group does exist, what's the point of bringing it up, especially here in this thread? It reads as being opposed to trans rights altogether because 'they're all faking it for clout' which just isn't true at all. && 3. Even for those you'd call 'transtrenders', is it really so bad to want to dress differently and get a new name? It's not that hard to accommodate and doesn't hurt anyone.