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Difference is just 5.8 per 1000 person-years. The effect size is very modest. You spend more time in exercising than increase your lifespan. The metaphor is li

by nabla9 2y ago

Difference is just 5.8 per 1000 person-years. The effect size is very modest. You spend more time in exercising than increase your lifespan. The metaphor is literal, you are running from death and disease, and death is running faster. What we need is review studies ranking lifestyle and health regimes by their effect size and combined effect sizes. Almost certainly combining two effective regimes increases the life- and healthspan more than their sum. Whatever you do, the effect likely is probably just 5 years of healthspan (relative to your generation). Wild guess: Body weight, proper nutrition, exercise, no stress, no smoking or alcohol and controlling inflammation in the body other ways, like dental hygiene[1] is the best you can do. [1]: Patients with periodontitis have a doubled risk of stroke already before age 50 https://www.helsinki.fi/en/news/brain/patients-periodontitis-have-doubled-risk-stroke-already-age-50 https://www.helsinki.fi/en/news/brain/patients-periodontitis...

JoeAltmaier 2y ago
Living longer but less fit is no prize. It's also misery to shuffle around and wheeze through every minute of your life. Exercise improves sleep, improves cognitive function and make tasks easier and more enjoyable. Everything about your life improves. I bicycle, and I enjoy it. It is one of the reasons I want to live longer.
- nabla9 2y ago
  Good for you. But this is not about you. I feel the same, but this is not about me. For people who read this and don't exercise, may not feel it enjoyable, it's often uphill all the time. They don't like exercise. Maybe being just thin and losing weight would be better, or doing non-vigorous exercise. We don't have much information. We make stories going off the tangent on some studies.
  - pengaru 2y ago
    Everybody feels better when healthy, and worse when sick. Viewing this topic purely through years of life extension is severely flawed.
- lostmsu 2y ago
  > Exercise improves sleep, improves cognitive function and make tasks easier and more enjoyable. Sleep maybe. My cognitive function is down for extended periods of time after prolonged exercise. I see no effect on exercising vs my life enjoyability except immediately after exercise I feel happy, because that torture is over and I can resume thinking.
  - airlocksoftware 2y ago
    Sorry for the unsolicited advice, but I wanted to share something that was counterintuitive and made a big difference for me. Not sure what types of exercise you are doing or your background (I could be more specific if you shared, feel free to email me) but in general I find most untrained to moderately trained people exercise at too high an intensity most of the time. Feeling like exercise is torture, and having lower cognitive function afterwards are also strong indicators of this. Most exercise should actually feel quite easy — perhaps an 80/20 split of easy exercise days to hard exercise days is ideal. For example, if you were running you might switch between running and walking to keep your heart rate at a pretty low level (zone 1 or 2) in some sort of structured program that ramps up intensity over time but keeps you in these lower heart rate zones 80% of your exercise time. For me personally I started enjoying exercise and getting a lot more out of it after making most of it feel "too easy"!
danielbln 2y ago
It think it's important to differentiate between life expectancy and quality of life. If you're a tub of good and sedentary, you might spend the last 10% of your life trapped in a failing body, which can very much tank your quality of life, whereas the fit person might actually be able to enjoy the golden years. I feel that's something that often is overlooked when talking about pure life expectancy.
swat535 2y ago
Your assertion here is that the lifespan of a healthy person and one of the unhealthy individual is the same. They are not. The healthy person has less stress, sleeps better, has better sex, has better mood and energy and isn't spending most of his life having difficulty dealing with illnesses steaming from unhealthy habits. Additionally, the time spend exercising isn't wasted, it's quiet enjoyable thanks to the release of Endorphins. Not to mention that it helps build muscles and keeps your body in shape which makes you more attractive to the opposite sex, thus increasing the chances of finding a partner. You also get all the cognitive benefits mentioned in the article for free. To top if it off, the time commitment isn't 8 hours a day. It only requires an hour every 2 days or so (it varies depending on what you're trying to accomplish). I highly recommend it.

by nabla9 2y ago

JoeAltmaier 2y ago

Living longer but less fit is no prize. It's also misery to shuffle around and wheeze through every minute of your life. Exercise improves sleep, improves cognitive function and make tasks easier and more enjoyable. Everything about your life improves. I bicycle, and I enjoy it. It is one of the reasons I want to live longer.

nabla9 2y ago
Good for you. But this is not about you. I feel the same, but this is not about me. For people who read this and don't exercise, may not feel it enjoyable, it's often uphill all the time. They don't like exercise. Maybe being just thin and losing weight would be better, or doing non-vigorous exercise. We don't have much information. We make stories going off the tangent on some studies.
- pengaru 2y ago
  Everybody feels better when healthy, and worse when sick. Viewing this topic purely through years of life extension is severely flawed.
lostmsu 2y ago
> Exercise improves sleep, improves cognitive function and make tasks easier and more enjoyable. Sleep maybe. My cognitive function is down for extended periods of time after prolonged exercise. I see no effect on exercising vs my life enjoyability except immediately after exercise I feel happy, because that torture is over and I can resume thinking.
- airlocksoftware 2y ago
  Sorry for the unsolicited advice, but I wanted to share something that was counterintuitive and made a big difference for me. Not sure what types of exercise you are doing or your background (I could be more specific if you shared, feel free to email me) but in general I find most untrained to moderately trained people exercise at too high an intensity most of the time. Feeling like exercise is torture, and having lower cognitive function afterwards are also strong indicators of this. Most exercise should actually feel quite easy — perhaps an 80/20 split of easy exercise days to hard exercise days is ideal. For example, if you were running you might switch between running and walking to keep your heart rate at a pretty low level (zone 1 or 2) in some sort of structured program that ramps up intensity over time but keeps you in these lower heart rate zones 80% of your exercise time. For me personally I started enjoying exercise and getting a lot more out of it after making most of it feel "too easy"!

danielbln 2y ago

It think it's important to differentiate between life expectancy and quality of life. If you're a tub of good and sedentary, you might spend the last 10% of your life trapped in a failing body, which can very much tank your quality of life, whereas the fit person might actually be able to enjoy the golden years. I feel that's something that often is overlooked when talking about pure life expectancy.

swat535 2y ago

Your assertion here is that the lifespan of a healthy person and one of the unhealthy individual is the same. They are not. The healthy person has less stress, sleeps better, has better sex, has better mood and energy and isn't spending most of his life having difficulty dealing with illnesses steaming from unhealthy habits. Additionally, the time spend exercising isn't wasted, it's quiet enjoyable thanks to the release of Endorphins. Not to mention that it helps build muscles and keeps your body in shape which makes you more attractive to the opposite sex, thus increasing the chances of finding a partner. You also get all the cognitive benefits mentioned in the article for free. To top if it off, the time commitment isn't 8 hours a day. It only requires an hour every 2 days or so (it varies depending on what you're trying to accomplish). I highly recommend it.