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If you want slimmer people, invest in hunger-stopping pills. Have a lettuce satiate you like two ham and cheese baguettes, and the obesity problem will disappea

by pif 2y ago

If you want slimmer people, invest in hunger-stopping pills. Have a lettuce satiate you like two ham and cheese baguettes, and the obesity problem will disappear overnight.

keiferski 2y ago
Isn’t that pretty much what Ozempic does?
- pif 2y ago
  I don't know this Ozempic. If people take it for at most a few years, then yes, it may do what I described. On the other end, if people are supposed to take it for life, then it does surely not!
thefz 2y ago
Exercise has benefits that span far beyond weight loss, like the article you clearly haven't opened states. In fact, in many cases it's not even necessary for weight loss alone, as controlling the caloric input is enough.
- pif 2y ago
  > Exercise has benefits that span far beyond weight loss, Don't you think that slimmer people are more inclined to enjoy exercising?
  - thefz 2y ago
    Define slim? Many "skinnyfat" (no muscle, no fat) people don't like to move, and there are lots of muscular people that enjoy exercising. Is that a function of bodyfat percentage? I doubt so as well. Ideal BF% in men goes from 8 to 20%, when I see lots of people above 20% in the trails or running/cycling around. Besides, if the goal is weight loss, that can be achieved with caloric restriction and zero minutes of cardio. It's thermodynamics. Move for the sake of it, not for weight loss.
Moldoteck 2y ago
exercise in most cases will not help you getting fit, you are most likely to have a greater appetite after exercising. Exercise on the other hand can improve health in other ways and ozempic will not help there
lurking_swe 2y ago
sure, then you have a society deficient in nutrition because they got full on french fries lol. The problem is cultural, and also because of GREED. Companies make so much money off of selling you junk food, pharma makes a lot selling you pills, etc. It’s not a biological problem 99% of the time. You really want to solve this overnight? Simple: • force free healthy and delicious meals in public schools. regardless of cost. Home cooked meals on site like in japan. CARE ABOUT THE KIDS america! We feed them shit, it’s sad. • ban food advertising in all mediums. • Some kind of incentive for adults to walk/bike to work if possible, and drive less. Would need to think about this more… • mandatory school subject: teach how unhealthy it is to be overweight. Explain cardiovascular disease and what happens to the body in detail. Explain how lifestyle will differ at 60 yrs and 70 yrs of age for a fat diabetic vs a slim person that exercises weekly. Take a field trip to a nursing home. This SHOWS kids the negative consequences while maybe benefiting nursing home residents with possibly free volunteer help. • mandatory school subject: Cooking class. Also explain that you should eat for FUEL first, pleasure second. I could go on…
- jiriknesl 2y ago
  This is a very cynical take. Companies are full of people. Those people want to do good things and want to help others. There are plenty of companies who sell vegetables, fruits, free-range eggs and beef, meal replacement shakes with full spectrum of macros & micros, packed foods for vegetarians, keto, paleo eaters. It's not particularly companies fault that someone buys a cheeseburger instead of omelette with tomatoes or whole grain sandwich with turkey & lettuce. Options are there no matter where you live. -- I agree with teaching kids about nutrition and impacts of obesity. That makes 100% sense.
  - lurking_swe 2y ago
    sorry for not clarifying. I agree that at a micro level people are just trying to find a job and do the best they can. But the system as it’s designed drives these incentives. Have you seen the typical lunch that a japanese student eats every day? Not sure how anyone can look at the typical american child’s lunch and not feel shame and guilt. This is something the government could change if someone with power wanted to. Please watch this if you haven’t: https://youtu.be/fze5s1SlqB8?si=Xo7kQH3ShfE0y3wz https://youtu.be/fze5s1SlqB8?si=Xo7kQH3ShfE0y3wz That’s not some fancy or private school in japan. That’s a NORMAL school lunch. Regarding advertising and foods, I was referring to heavily processed foods that are advertised on TV and elsewhere, targeted at kids that don’t know better. Cereals, junk snacks (doritos, chips, popcorn, etc). I am in my 30’s and I STILL remember how badly i wanted my mom to buy me coco puffs lol.
acuozzo 2y ago
I find it interesting that you assume the issue is related to hunger. Most overweight and obese persons I know are overweight because they are using food as a drug. This has nothing to do with hunger. Shoveling fistfuls of Reese's Puffs into your face because you're bored, sad, stressed, angry, etc. is not to relieve hunger pains. It's to get high. 40+ years ago these people would have been chain smokers instead. Want to fix the obesity crisis? Design a cheap, socially-acceptable, ritualized drug which can be consumed using little-to-no energy in near-limitless quantities and has no preexisting history of being considered "bad".

by pif 2y ago

If you want slimmer people, invest in hunger-stopping pills. Have a lettuce satiate you like two ham and cheese baguettes, and the obesity problem will disappear overnight.

keiferski 2y ago

Isn’t that pretty much what Ozempic does?

pif 2y ago
I don't know this Ozempic. If people take it for at most a few years, then yes, it may do what I described. On the other end, if people are supposed to take it for life, then it does surely not!

thefz 2y ago

Exercise has benefits that span far beyond weight loss, like the article you clearly haven't opened states. In fact, in many cases it's not even necessary for weight loss alone, as controlling the caloric input is enough.

pif 2y ago
> Exercise has benefits that span far beyond weight loss, Don't you think that slimmer people are more inclined to enjoy exercising?
- thefz 2y ago
  Define slim? Many "skinnyfat" (no muscle, no fat) people don't like to move, and there are lots of muscular people that enjoy exercising. Is that a function of bodyfat percentage? I doubt so as well. Ideal BF% in men goes from 8 to 20%, when I see lots of people above 20% in the trails or running/cycling around. Besides, if the goal is weight loss, that can be achieved with caloric restriction and zero minutes of cardio. It's thermodynamics. Move for the sake of it, not for weight loss.

Moldoteck 2y ago

exercise in most cases will not help you getting fit, you are most likely to have a greater appetite after exercising. Exercise on the other hand can improve health in other ways and ozempic will not help there

lurking_swe 2y ago

sure, then you have a society deficient in nutrition because they got full on french fries lol. The problem is cultural, and also because of GREED. Companies make so much money off of selling you junk food, pharma makes a lot selling you pills, etc. It’s not a biological problem 99% of the time. You really want to solve this overnight? Simple: • force free healthy and delicious meals in public schools. regardless of cost. Home cooked meals on site like in japan. CARE ABOUT THE KIDS america! We feed them shit, it’s sad. • ban food advertising in all mediums. • Some kind of incentive for adults to walk/bike to work if possible, and drive less. Would need to think about this more… • mandatory school subject: teach how unhealthy it is to be overweight. Explain cardiovascular disease and what happens to the body in detail. Explain how lifestyle will differ at 60 yrs and 70 yrs of age for a fat diabetic vs a slim person that exercises weekly. Take a field trip to a nursing home. This SHOWS kids the negative consequences while maybe benefiting nursing home residents with possibly free volunteer help. • mandatory school subject: Cooking class. Also explain that you should eat for FUEL first, pleasure second. I could go on…

jiriknesl 2y ago
This is a very cynical take. Companies are full of people. Those people want to do good things and want to help others. There are plenty of companies who sell vegetables, fruits, free-range eggs and beef, meal replacement shakes with full spectrum of macros & micros, packed foods for vegetarians, keto, paleo eaters. It's not particularly companies fault that someone buys a cheeseburger instead of omelette with tomatoes or whole grain sandwich with turkey & lettuce. Options are there no matter where you live. -- I agree with teaching kids about nutrition and impacts of obesity. That makes 100% sense.
- lurking_swe 2y ago
  sorry for not clarifying. I agree that at a micro level people are just trying to find a job and do the best they can. But the system as it’s designed drives these incentives. Have you seen the typical lunch that a japanese student eats every day? Not sure how anyone can look at the typical american child’s lunch and not feel shame and guilt. This is something the government could change if someone with power wanted to. Please watch this if you haven’t: https://youtu.be/fze5s1SlqB8?si=Xo7kQH3ShfE0y3wz https://youtu.be/fze5s1SlqB8?si=Xo7kQH3ShfE0y3wz That’s not some fancy or private school in japan. That’s a NORMAL school lunch. Regarding advertising and foods, I was referring to heavily processed foods that are advertised on TV and elsewhere, targeted at kids that don’t know better. Cereals, junk snacks (doritos, chips, popcorn, etc). I am in my 30’s and I STILL remember how badly i wanted my mom to buy me coco puffs lol.

acuozzo 2y ago

I find it interesting that you assume the issue is related to hunger. Most overweight and obese persons I know are overweight because they are using food as a drug. This has nothing to do with hunger. Shoveling fistfuls of Reese's Puffs into your face because you're bored, sad, stressed, angry, etc. is not to relieve hunger pains. It's to get high. 40+ years ago these people would have been chain smokers instead. Want to fix the obesity crisis? Design a cheap, socially-acceptable, ritualized drug which can be consumed using little-to-no energy in near-limitless quantities and has no preexisting history of being considered "bad".