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Many workplaces will restrict your choice of operating system and email client.

hx8 2y ago
I ask about the tools I will be using during the interview process. There are several that I refuse to work with and will end the interview at the next possible polite point if they are required. Microsoft Windows is on my blacklist. The entire point of private retirement accounts and transferable skills is that you aren't required to stick with one employer. If your employer requires you to use bad tools then find a better employer.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  >then find a better employer What a clueless and entitled point of view. Entire industries are almost exclusively Microsoft (basically all those that make the modern civilized world work: medical, transportation, semiconductor, logistics, automotive, industrial, architecture, infrastructure, CAD, etc). Your choice then is unemployment. Not everyone is an app/web developer who can freely choose employers based on stacks and tools, end even then, not in a bear market. Most people wishing not to be homeless don't have the choice of saying no to employment just because they use Windows. Your comment is the equivalent of "let them eat cake".
  - eesmith 2y ago
    On the flip side, your comment is "Thank You Sir May I Have Another?" If no one complains, not even the entitled who have some power, then the screws continue to tighten down.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      >On the flip side, your comment is "Thank You Sir May I Have Another?" I never said that. I said in many industries that choice is none existent other than unemployment and people care more about employment than they do about OS martyring.
      - eesmith 2y ago
        Sure. But just because that's true of some industries doesn't make it true of all industries. Your comment comes across like rejecting hx8's practice because it could not be universal. Even your use of 'martyring' is bizarre. My avoidance of Windows for the last 20 years is a mild discomfort, not martyrdom. There is a long history of using one's privilege to help those with less privilege. If hx8 "entitlement" changes the workplace to allow Ubuntu as an alternative to MS Windows, then those with less privilege may be able to follow. By rejecting hx8's practice, you close off that pathway.
  - realusername 2y ago
    My last Windows OS is Windows XP and I've never been unemployed. Going through the Windows stack has significant disadvantages to your career as well. Those companies are likely to pay less than their competitors, they are usually less modern and offer less remote options or modern development organizations. It's a lose, lose choice.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      >My last Windows OS is Windows XP and I've never been unemployed. Like I said, not every office worker is a front-end dev. In other industries you have no choice but unemployment. Your lack of empathy towards other classes is showing. >Going through the Windows stack has significant disadvantages to your career as well. I don't know many but I've never met a .NET or SharePoint dev who's unemployed. On the contrary. All those crusty non-IT corporations seem to pay very well for others to fix their Microsoft stack. Maybe take your head out of the sand and see the real world.
      - realusername 2y ago
        I'm not a front-end dev either. It's not about "empathy", it's a market, you either play along the market or you suffer from it.
        Rinzler89 2y ago
        Show me the employees suffering.
        realusername 2y ago
        It's in your own example, you are less likely to find remote working, modern development practices or competitive salary at your average SharePoint gig compared to your average fullstack, devops or data engineering job.
        Rinzler89 2y ago
  - hx8 2y ago
    Parent comment here, chiming in days after this thread. My primary purpose in making my comment was to help employees that feel stuck using bad tools. I hope my advice helps to encourage people to look for better opportunities, and to consider the software they will be using in those opportunities. I have given dozens of technical interviews, and no one has ever asked me "what is your development setup like?" as part of the interview. I wanted to share with other people my little trick. Maybe my comment smells of privilege, but this is a privilege anyone can claim. After all, all tech workers have transferable skills and access to private retirement accounts.
DANmode 2y ago
If those requirements make you uncomfortable daily: "Damn, you live like this?"
dartharva 2y ago
And when it comes to non-technical roles, that "many" turns into "almost all".

hx8 2y ago

I ask about the tools I will be using during the interview process. There are several that I refuse to work with and will end the interview at the next possible polite point if they are required. Microsoft Windows is on my blacklist. The entire point of private retirement accounts and transferable skills is that you aren't required to stick with one employer. If your employer requires you to use bad tools then find a better employer.

Rinzler89 2y ago
>then find a better employer What a clueless and entitled point of view. Entire industries are almost exclusively Microsoft (basically all those that make the modern civilized world work: medical, transportation, semiconductor, logistics, automotive, industrial, architecture, infrastructure, CAD, etc). Your choice then is unemployment. Not everyone is an app/web developer who can freely choose employers based on stacks and tools, end even then, not in a bear market. Most people wishing not to be homeless don't have the choice of saying no to employment just because they use Windows. Your comment is the equivalent of "let them eat cake".
- eesmith 2y ago
  On the flip side, your comment is "Thank You Sir May I Have Another?" If no one complains, not even the entitled who have some power, then the screws continue to tighten down.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    >On the flip side, your comment is "Thank You Sir May I Have Another?" I never said that. I said in many industries that choice is none existent other than unemployment and people care more about employment than they do about OS martyring.
    - eesmith 2y ago
      Sure. But just because that's true of some industries doesn't make it true of all industries. Your comment comes across like rejecting hx8's practice because it could not be universal. Even your use of 'martyring' is bizarre. My avoidance of Windows for the last 20 years is a mild discomfort, not martyrdom. There is a long history of using one's privilege to help those with less privilege. If hx8 "entitlement" changes the workplace to allow Ubuntu as an alternative to MS Windows, then those with less privilege may be able to follow. By rejecting hx8's practice, you close off that pathway.
- realusername 2y ago
  My last Windows OS is Windows XP and I've never been unemployed. Going through the Windows stack has significant disadvantages to your career as well. Those companies are likely to pay less than their competitors, they are usually less modern and offer less remote options or modern development organizations. It's a lose, lose choice.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    >My last Windows OS is Windows XP and I've never been unemployed. Like I said, not every office worker is a front-end dev. In other industries you have no choice but unemployment. Your lack of empathy towards other classes is showing. >Going through the Windows stack has significant disadvantages to your career as well. I don't know many but I've never met a .NET or SharePoint dev who's unemployed. On the contrary. All those crusty non-IT corporations seem to pay very well for others to fix their Microsoft stack. Maybe take your head out of the sand and see the real world.
    - realusername 2y ago
      I'm not a front-end dev either. It's not about "empathy", it's a market, you either play along the market or you suffer from it.
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
        Show me the employees suffering.
        realusername 2y ago
        It's in your own example, you are less likely to find remote working, modern development practices or competitive salary at your average SharePoint gig compared to your average fullstack, devops or data engineering job.
        Rinzler89 2y ago
- hx8 2y ago
  Parent comment here, chiming in days after this thread. My primary purpose in making my comment was to help employees that feel stuck using bad tools. I hope my advice helps to encourage people to look for better opportunities, and to consider the software they will be using in those opportunities. I have given dozens of technical interviews, and no one has ever asked me "what is your development setup like?" as part of the interview. I wanted to share with other people my little trick. Maybe my comment smells of privilege, but this is a privilege anyone can claim. After all, all tech workers have transferable skills and access to private retirement accounts.

DANmode 2y ago

If those requirements make you uncomfortable daily: "Damn, you live like this?"

dartharva 2y ago

And when it comes to non-technical roles, that "many" turns into "almost all".