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The only thing I can think of when reading this is the "damn, you live like this?" meme. I can't imagine using OS that does this to you and not being angry all

The only thing I can think of when reading this is the "damn, you live like this?" meme. I can't imagine using OS that does this to you and not being angry all the time (I'm not tribalistic, Linux has its own set of infuriating problems, but at least it feels like I'm in control).

smt88 2y ago
This is specifically an Outlook issue, not Windows. The problem is the enterprise addiction to Outlook/Exchange that prevents employees from choosing a different email client.
cosmojg 2y ago
Many workplaces will restrict your choice of operating system and email client.
- hx8 2y ago
  I ask about the tools I will be using during the interview process. There are several that I refuse to work with and will end the interview at the next possible polite point if they are required. Microsoft Windows is on my blacklist. The entire point of private retirement accounts and transferable skills is that you aren't required to stick with one employer. If your employer requires you to use bad tools then find a better employer.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    >then find a better employer What a clueless and entitled point of view. Entire industries are almost exclusively Microsoft (basically all those that make the modern civilized world work: medical, transportation, semiconductor, logistics, automotive, industrial, architecture, infrastructure, CAD, etc). Your choice then is unemployment. Not everyone is an app/web developer who can freely choose employers based on stacks and tools, end even then, not in a bear market. Most people wishing not to be homeless don't have the choice of saying no to employment just because they use Windows. Your comment is the equivalent of "let them eat cake".
    - eesmith 2y ago
      On the flip side, your comment is "Thank You Sir May I Have Another?" If no one complains, not even the entitled who have some power, then the screws continue to tighten down.
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
        >On the flip side, your comment is "Thank You Sir May I Have Another?" I never said that. I said in many industries that choice is none existent other than unemployment and people care more about employment than they do about OS martyring.
        eesmith 2y ago
        Sure. But just because that's true of some industries doesn't make it true of all industries. Your comment comes across like rejecting hx8's practice because it could not be universal. Even your use of 'martyring' is bizarre. My avoidance of Windows for the last 20 years is a mild discomfort, not martyrdom. There is a long history of using one's privilege to help those with less privilege. If hx8 "entitlement" changes the workplace to allow Ubuntu as an alternative to MS Windows, then those with less privilege may be able to follow. By rejecting hx8's practice, you close off that pathway.
    - realusername 2y ago
      My last Windows OS is Windows XP and I've never been unemployed. Going through the Windows stack has significant disadvantages to your career as well. Those companies are likely to pay less than their competitors, they are usually less modern and offer less remote options or modern development organizations. It's a lose, lose choice.
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
        >My last Windows OS is Windows XP and I've never been unemployed. Like I said, not every office worker is a front-end dev. In other industries you have no choice but unemployment. Your lack of empathy towards other classes is showing. >Going through the Windows stack has significant disadvantages to your career as well. I don't know many but I've never met a .NET or SharePoint dev who's unemployed. On the contrary. All those crusty non-IT corporations seem to pay very well for others to fix their Microsoft stack. Maybe take your head out of the sand and see the real world.
- DANmode 2y ago
  If those requirements make you uncomfortable daily: "Damn, you live like this?"
- dartharva 2y ago
  And when it comes to non-technical roles, that "many" turns into "almost all".
ATsch 2y ago
Yes, this. linux sucks in a lot of ways. But it sucks for boring reasons I can deal with, like lack of resources, incompetence or even just ideas I disagree with. You know, just the every day inevitabilites that come with interacting with other human beings, even when they're doing their best. But what is infinitely worse than that is, on top of all of those things still happening, also having a random chance of waking up every morning to discover that someone has very deliberately, specifically decided to make my life worse, not out of personal conviction, but because it makes a line go up somewhere in a board room on the other side of the world. That I can not deal with.
- _f1dq 2y ago
  You mean like how Outlook injects an ad into nearly every email I receive encouraging me to use Copilot for sales even though I'm not in sales and think Copilot is, in classic Microsoft form, buggy, bloated, and nearly unusable beta software that they're plaguing on their customers and charging them for the privilege?
  - adventurer 2y ago
    That’s interesting. Can’t say I get those.

smt88 2y ago

This is specifically an Outlook issue, not Windows. The problem is the enterprise addiction to Outlook/Exchange that prevents employees from choosing a different email client.

cosmojg 2y ago

Many workplaces will restrict your choice of operating system and email client.

hx8 2y ago
I ask about the tools I will be using during the interview process. There are several that I refuse to work with and will end the interview at the next possible polite point if they are required. Microsoft Windows is on my blacklist. The entire point of private retirement accounts and transferable skills is that you aren't required to stick with one employer. If your employer requires you to use bad tools then find a better employer.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  >then find a better employer What a clueless and entitled point of view. Entire industries are almost exclusively Microsoft (basically all those that make the modern civilized world work: medical, transportation, semiconductor, logistics, automotive, industrial, architecture, infrastructure, CAD, etc). Your choice then is unemployment. Not everyone is an app/web developer who can freely choose employers based on stacks and tools, end even then, not in a bear market. Most people wishing not to be homeless don't have the choice of saying no to employment just because they use Windows. Your comment is the equivalent of "let them eat cake".
  - eesmith 2y ago
    On the flip side, your comment is "Thank You Sir May I Have Another?" If no one complains, not even the entitled who have some power, then the screws continue to tighten down.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      >On the flip side, your comment is "Thank You Sir May I Have Another?" I never said that. I said in many industries that choice is none existent other than unemployment and people care more about employment than they do about OS martyring.
      - eesmith 2y ago
        Sure. But just because that's true of some industries doesn't make it true of all industries. Your comment comes across like rejecting hx8's practice because it could not be universal. Even your use of 'martyring' is bizarre. My avoidance of Windows for the last 20 years is a mild discomfort, not martyrdom. There is a long history of using one's privilege to help those with less privilege. If hx8 "entitlement" changes the workplace to allow Ubuntu as an alternative to MS Windows, then those with less privilege may be able to follow. By rejecting hx8's practice, you close off that pathway.
  - realusername 2y ago
    My last Windows OS is Windows XP and I've never been unemployed. Going through the Windows stack has significant disadvantages to your career as well. Those companies are likely to pay less than their competitors, they are usually less modern and offer less remote options or modern development organizations. It's a lose, lose choice.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
      >My last Windows OS is Windows XP and I've never been unemployed. Like I said, not every office worker is a front-end dev. In other industries you have no choice but unemployment. Your lack of empathy towards other classes is showing. >Going through the Windows stack has significant disadvantages to your career as well. I don't know many but I've never met a .NET or SharePoint dev who's unemployed. On the contrary. All those crusty non-IT corporations seem to pay very well for others to fix their Microsoft stack. Maybe take your head out of the sand and see the real world.
DANmode 2y ago
If those requirements make you uncomfortable daily: "Damn, you live like this?"
dartharva 2y ago
And when it comes to non-technical roles, that "many" turns into "almost all".

ATsch 2y ago

Yes, this. linux sucks in a lot of ways. But it sucks for boring reasons I can deal with, like lack of resources, incompetence or even just ideas I disagree with. You know, just the every day inevitabilites that come with interacting with other human beings, even when they're doing their best. But what is infinitely worse than that is, on top of all of those things still happening, also having a random chance of waking up every morning to discover that someone has very deliberately, specifically decided to make my life worse, not out of personal conviction, but because it makes a line go up somewhere in a board room on the other side of the world. That I can not deal with.

_f1dq 2y ago
You mean like how Outlook injects an ad into nearly every email I receive encouraging me to use Copilot for sales even though I'm not in sales and think Copilot is, in classic Microsoft form, buggy, bloated, and nearly unusable beta software that they're plaguing on their customers and charging them for the privilege?
- adventurer 2y ago
  That’s interesting. Can’t say I get those.