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>What do you think comes next? Public transport, hopefully.

by wetpaws 2y ago

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hyfgfh 2y ago
And mingle with the masses? in SF? Maybe if they re-invent trains or buses again
- elbasti 2y ago
  > Maybe if they re-invent trains or buses again You joke, but I've heard more than one argument about how self-driving cars will drastically improve traffic because, for inter-city travel, they will be able to drive very close together on the highway in a long convoy, leaving almost no space between cars...
  - thechao 2y ago
    150 cars long! 90000 horsepower! May Immortan Joe live forever!!! To the Vineyards!
  - DANmode 2y ago
    It'll end up being the opposite that causes a positive effect, if there's one to be had. Leaving proper gaps (which next to nobody reading this will be familiar with!) allows for cars to cross, or even merge.
  - miki123211 2y ago
    I don't think it's such a bad idea, actually. There's value in having something that can drive in a "train", but that can also disconnect when needed and drive on its own. If you're driving long distance, you get the advantages of a train, but door-to-door, with no scheduling conflicts and no egregious stop times. If your destination is 5 minutes away, it's still a car.
    - elbasti 2y ago
      Or, you know, you could drive (or bike! or waymo!) to the local train station, which should have <30 min, well-scheduled, predictable headways to major cities, then take a train that goes 150+mph, and then drive (or bike! or waymo!) to your final destination, for _far_ less total energy expenditure. Every car in a train-caravan is schlepping along its own engine, crumple zones, airbags....and with rubber tires... ...its frankly idiotic.
red75prime 2y ago
You need to get rid of excessive solar energy when prices turn negative anyway. So why not charge a fleet of electric taxicabs.
- Mashimo 2y ago
  Why not charge a fleet of busses or trams?
  - red75prime 2y ago
    Why not both? We aren't trying to be efficient here, we are dumping excess energy from intermittent sources.
signatoremo 2y ago
Public transportation is not a true panacea even where it’s seen most favorable. Car ownership increased 14% in Europe from 2012 to 2022, across the board: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20240117-1 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/d... The future will be a combination of trains, a more extensive robotaxi network for the last mile, which can be cars or vans, and a much smaller percentage of personal vehicles compared to today. Buses as they are today will decline.
buzzert 2y ago
Right, because public transit cleanliness beats Taxis, Ubers, and Waymos.
- wetpaws 2y ago
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>What do you think comes next? Public transport, hopefully.

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hyfgfh 2y ago

And mingle with the masses? in SF? Maybe if they re-invent trains or buses again

elbasti 2y ago
> Maybe if they re-invent trains or buses again You joke, but I've heard more than one argument about how self-driving cars will drastically improve traffic because, for inter-city travel, they will be able to drive very close together on the highway in a long convoy, leaving almost no space between cars...
- thechao 2y ago
  150 cars long! 90000 horsepower! May Immortan Joe live forever!!! To the Vineyards!
- DANmode 2y ago
  It'll end up being the opposite that causes a positive effect, if there's one to be had. Leaving proper gaps (which next to nobody reading this will be familiar with!) allows for cars to cross, or even merge.
- miki123211 2y ago
  I don't think it's such a bad idea, actually. There's value in having something that can drive in a "train", but that can also disconnect when needed and drive on its own. If you're driving long distance, you get the advantages of a train, but door-to-door, with no scheduling conflicts and no egregious stop times. If your destination is 5 minutes away, it's still a car.
  - elbasti 2y ago
    Or, you know, you could drive (or bike! or waymo!) to the local train station, which should have <30 min, well-scheduled, predictable headways to major cities, then take a train that goes 150+mph, and then drive (or bike! or waymo!) to your final destination, for _far_ less total energy expenditure. Every car in a train-caravan is schlepping along its own engine, crumple zones, airbags....and with rubber tires... ...its frankly idiotic.

red75prime 2y ago

You need to get rid of excessive solar energy when prices turn negative anyway. So why not charge a fleet of electric taxicabs.

Mashimo 2y ago
Why not charge a fleet of busses or trams?
- red75prime 2y ago
  Why not both? We aren't trying to be efficient here, we are dumping excess energy from intermittent sources.

signatoremo 2y ago

Public transportation is not a true panacea even where it’s seen most favorable. Car ownership increased 14% in Europe from 2012 to 2022, across the board: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20240117-1 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/d... The future will be a combination of trains, a more extensive robotaxi network for the last mile, which can be cars or vans, and a much smaller percentage of personal vehicles compared to today. Buses as they are today will decline.

buzzert 2y ago

Right, because public transit cleanliness beats Taxis, Ubers, and Waymos.

wetpaws 2y ago
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